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wow

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welcome to shattered reality with your

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hosts

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kate valentine and ferocia

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prepare to have your paradigms shifted

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and your truth questioned and now

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shattered reality shattered reality

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hello there shattered reality listeners

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my name is ferusha and we are here today

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to do our 84th episode

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we were hoping to have kate valentine

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here today again

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but most unfortunately she has not quite

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joined us yet

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although she promises that she would

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really like

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to join us and we are hoping for her

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soon return to shattered reality podcast

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now as i said today

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is our 84th podcast

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today i'm going to slate because that's

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my background

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today is february

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27th 2019

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and our guest for today is an amazing

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man

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he is a retired air force captain

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and uh i'm going to just give you a

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little bit of his

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bio here robert salas

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is a 1964 graduate

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of the u.s air force academy serving

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seven years on active duty

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he flew target drones as a weapons

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controller commanded intercontinental

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ballistic missiles

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on as a launch officer and worked

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as an air force missile

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propulsion engineer on the titan

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3 program from 1974

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until 1995 he worked for the federal

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aviation administration in 2005 he

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the book faded giant which details the

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incidents he witnessed in 1967.

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salus has been publicly speaking about

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incident at ufo conferences on the radio

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and on television since 1996.

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he has a master's degree in aerospace

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engineering

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and has also been a college

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professor so with no further ado

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let us welcome retired air force

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captain robert salas

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hello robert hello ferocia

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i'm very pleased to be with you today

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and i'm more than honored and pleased

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to have you now um

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i would like to start right in with

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the situation involving

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oscar flight in 67

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and and you can also certainly feel free

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story to talk a little bit about the

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echo flight which happened

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i'll go through it uh rather quickly and

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march 24th 1967 i was on duty

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uh there were in the uh what we call a

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launch control center

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and under our command we had um

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ten nuclear missiles these were the

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minutemen one missiles

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i was in the capsule underground about

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locked in with my um commander who was

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fred meywald at the time

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lieutenant we were both lieutenants uh

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i had six guards upstairs and as they

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airplanes don't do that and i agreed

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frightened he's screaming into the phone

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uh he had all the men out with their

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hello and so he he hung up the phone

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um are you still there yes we're here

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board and sure enough

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the missiles were dropping off in other

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up and and the ufo had just

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left the object whatever it was

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malmstrom air force base we were about

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of malmstrom and they told him

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that's the essence of my story

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it is surprising if a person hasn't

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heard anything about it before

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i do want to ask you about one thing

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later on in my thoughts that will

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um a fellow that was topside one of the

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your oscar flight um who was

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so distraught and he wanted to speak to

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you the following day and

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you were not able to because you had

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sworn to secrecy and being um you know a

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good officer that you felt was your

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duty and uh you upheld it um

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who haven't heard all our shows we also

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situation um in a detail as well as he

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um and now we have the story of the

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from you so isn't that that is the case

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yes um let me just explain when after we

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we were ordered back to the base they

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squadron commander's office

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right away and right away

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air force officers special investigation

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our faces and said sign here

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this was a statement that we would never

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incident to anyone ever

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of course we couldn't speak to our wives

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speak about this without breaking that

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oath

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and that and also risking a lot of jail

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i did get a call from one guard who

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when the incident happened and they

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really wanted to talk to me about it

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they couldn't make any sense of it and

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they were

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very nervous about what they'd seen

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it was very upsetting let's let's put it

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uh it just changes your whole concept of

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reality and what you think you know

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so uh i had to turn him down

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and just killed me to turn him down

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i really did want to speak with him but

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i would have been breaking uh this this

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document which had signed my

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non-disclosure statement

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so what i was going to ask is

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something occurred later on i believe if

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i'm correct 1996

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be able to speak more freely about this

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walk by this book called above top

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secret by timothy good

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i picked up the book and

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and uh just happened to turn to page 301

291
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of that book and there was just a short

292
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little paragraph

293
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there that said in 1967

294
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ufos had shut down missiles in

295
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during an incident and that that's all

296
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it said

297
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it was just very brief but i got really

298
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excited about it because

299
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of course it sounded like my incident i

300
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thought maybe the air force had

301
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declassified it

302
00:14:16,790 --> 00:14:13,279
so i i made that assumption

303
00:14:17,990 --> 00:14:16,800
and and took a chance after thinking

304
00:14:21,509 --> 00:14:18,000
about it for some

305
00:14:23,670 --> 00:14:21,519
a day or maybe a couple of days

306
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took the chance of contacting the mutual

307
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ufo network

308
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chapter there in seattle and a man by

309
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the name of um

310
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uh jim klotz uh was an investigator for

311
00:14:39,990 --> 00:14:36,880
them and uh

312
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he i asked him if he could uh

313
00:14:45,110 --> 00:14:42,000
submit a freedom of information act

314
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request of the air force

315
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about this and this was the echo flight

316
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incident

317
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missile shutdowns during a ufo encounter

318
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and but don't say anything about ufos

319
00:15:01,990 --> 00:15:00,079
jim just say we want to know if this is

320
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still a classified incident where

321
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uh the missiles uh shut down

322
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um say nothing about ufos because

323
00:15:13,990 --> 00:15:12,560
that's a that was a no-no of course with

324
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the air force he didn't want to talk

325
00:15:18,710 --> 00:15:15,519
about it

326
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so he did he sent that request in

327
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and much to my surprise

328
00:15:27,110 --> 00:15:25,360
and his also the air force wrote back

329
00:15:30,629 --> 00:15:27,120
and said that

330
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this was still a classified incident

331
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but since we uh submitted the request

332
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and since

333
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uh the time has elapsed on

334
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the classification

335
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uh level i guess it was classified

336
00:15:48,230 --> 00:15:45,120
secret

337
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but uh it was that's only good for about

338
00:15:51,910 --> 00:15:50,560
12 years i think

339
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and so they they went ahead and

340
00:15:58,870 --> 00:15:54,560
declassified the echo flight

341
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incident and sent us documents

342
00:16:04,629 --> 00:16:02,160
so they validated the fact that the echo

343
00:16:07,110 --> 00:16:04,639
flight went down

344
00:16:09,829 --> 00:16:07,120
but they didn't admit to any ufo

345
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encounter

346
00:16:15,030 --> 00:16:12,120
the document simply said that there was

347
00:16:18,069 --> 00:16:15,040
investigations done

348
00:16:21,030 --> 00:16:18,079
but they sent us enough

349
00:16:22,470 --> 00:16:21,040
documents where we were able to contact

350
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various individuals

351
00:16:27,509 --> 00:16:25,279
that they named and were able to do some

352
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good pretty good research

353
00:16:30,870 --> 00:16:29,519
thanks a lot to jim klotz i really take

354
00:16:33,910 --> 00:16:30,880
my hat off to him he did

355
00:16:35,509 --> 00:16:33,920
a lot of the contacting of individuals

356
00:16:39,670 --> 00:16:35,519
and people

357
00:16:41,829 --> 00:16:39,680
and um and uh

358
00:16:43,670 --> 00:16:41,839
there was one statement in there on one

359
00:16:48,310 --> 00:16:43,680
of the pieces of paper that

360
00:16:50,150 --> 00:16:48,320
we got that said rumor of ufos

361
00:16:51,829 --> 00:16:50,160
around echo flight at the time of the

362
00:16:55,030 --> 00:16:51,839
incident have been

363
00:16:57,590 --> 00:16:55,040
disproven aha

364
00:17:00,069 --> 00:16:57,600
so how did they go about disproving

365
00:17:02,310 --> 00:17:00,079
these rumors

366
00:17:04,630 --> 00:17:02,320
so we contacted the guy that wrote that

367
00:17:06,789 --> 00:17:04,640
he said we never we never talked to

368
00:17:08,230 --> 00:17:06,799
anybody about disproving any rumors blah

369
00:17:10,870 --> 00:17:08,240
blah blah and that

370
00:17:13,029 --> 00:17:10,880
i kind of got the ball rolling and so at

371
00:17:16,069 --> 00:17:13,039
some point

372
00:17:18,230 --> 00:17:16,079
i think it was late 95 or early 96 i

373
00:17:21,429 --> 00:17:18,240
decided to

374
00:17:24,150 --> 00:17:21,439
come forward publicly and speak out

375
00:17:24,630 --> 00:17:24,160
about the fact that because i thought it

376
00:17:26,390 --> 00:17:24,640
was my

377
00:17:28,470 --> 00:17:26,400
incident i didn't remember i was at

378
00:17:31,590 --> 00:17:28,480
oscar i just remember

379
00:17:34,310 --> 00:17:31,600
the incident and all the

380
00:17:35,270 --> 00:17:34,320
launch control centers look the same so

381
00:17:37,430 --> 00:17:35,280
at that point

382
00:17:39,510 --> 00:17:37,440
because i had made a conscious effort to

383
00:17:41,190 --> 00:17:39,520
forget a lot of the details

384
00:17:43,590 --> 00:17:41,200
i remember i was i was still under

385
00:17:45,990 --> 00:17:43,600
obligation not to talk about

386
00:17:46,710 --> 00:17:46,000
and so i forgot many of the details

387
00:17:50,470 --> 00:17:46,720
including

388
00:17:53,510 --> 00:17:50,480
who my commander was and where i was

389
00:17:55,669 --> 00:17:53,520
what facility i was at etc

390
00:17:56,710 --> 00:17:55,679
but uh so i thought i was the one that

391
00:18:00,390 --> 00:17:56,720
was at echo

392
00:18:03,990 --> 00:18:00,400
white and that's why originally i had

393
00:18:07,590 --> 00:18:06,230
and then but then i decided to go ahead

394
00:18:10,950 --> 00:18:07,600
go public

395
00:18:12,710 --> 00:18:10,960
and say this was a ufo incident and i

396
00:18:16,310 --> 00:18:12,720
went on various

397
00:18:18,470 --> 00:18:16,320
radio shows and from those

398
00:18:20,470 --> 00:18:18,480
i started getting more witnesses come

399
00:18:22,549 --> 00:18:20,480
forward

400
00:18:24,150 --> 00:18:22,559
people that had been involved and people

401
00:18:26,789 --> 00:18:24,160
that had

402
00:18:27,750 --> 00:18:26,799
been part of the investigation and

403
00:18:31,270 --> 00:18:27,760
others

404
00:18:34,230 --> 00:18:31,280
and that's how it snowballed into a book

405
00:18:35,590 --> 00:18:34,240
the one i wrote in 2005. yes would you

406
00:18:37,669 --> 00:18:35,600
mention the name of that book

407
00:18:38,789 --> 00:18:37,679
or would you yeah that's called faded

408
00:18:41,750 --> 00:18:38,799
giant and

409
00:18:44,630 --> 00:18:41,760
in there i've got many of the documents

410
00:18:47,669 --> 00:18:44,640
i received from the air force

411
00:18:51,830 --> 00:18:47,679
and uh and the details

412
00:18:55,029 --> 00:18:51,840
of my incident so

413
00:18:58,070 --> 00:18:55,039
i want to ask you about

414
00:19:01,190 --> 00:18:58,080
what the fellows topside

415
00:19:05,990 --> 00:19:01,200
reported i believe a a red

416
00:19:09,990 --> 00:19:06,000
glowing object maybe more than one

417
00:19:13,510 --> 00:19:10,000
uh well they reported seeing a

418
00:19:17,510 --> 00:19:13,520
a glowing red

419
00:19:20,789 --> 00:19:17,520
pulsating object

420
00:19:25,430 --> 00:19:20,799
it it seemed to have some sort of a

421
00:19:29,750 --> 00:19:25,440
plasma gas around it

422
00:19:32,630 --> 00:19:29,760
it was large i'd say 40 to 50 feet

423
00:19:34,150 --> 00:19:32,640
in diameter and it was just hovering

424
00:19:38,710 --> 00:19:34,160
silently

425
00:19:41,990 --> 00:19:38,720
above the front gate and um

426
00:19:44,390 --> 00:19:42,000
that's how they described it but

427
00:19:46,310 --> 00:19:44,400
um like i said there were there were

428
00:19:47,909 --> 00:19:46,320
multiple objects in the area because we

429
00:19:50,950 --> 00:19:47,919
sent two of the guards out

430
00:19:54,549 --> 00:19:50,960
and they saw uh

431
00:19:56,549 --> 00:19:54,559
two i think it was two over each of the

432
00:19:58,789 --> 00:19:56,559
um

433
00:20:00,070 --> 00:19:58,799
the uh launch facilities where we sent

434
00:20:03,990 --> 00:20:00,080
them

435
00:20:04,789 --> 00:20:04,000
um and and if i'm not mistaken there

436
00:20:08,070 --> 00:20:04,799
were other

437
00:20:11,190 --> 00:20:08,080
sightings by civilians outside

438
00:20:15,430 --> 00:20:11,200
of the perimeter of the air force

439
00:20:16,789 --> 00:20:15,440
installations yes absolutely

440
00:20:18,950 --> 00:20:16,799
one of the reasons we were able to

441
00:20:20,070 --> 00:20:18,960
confirm the date of the oscar flight

442
00:20:24,549 --> 00:20:20,080
shutdown is because

443
00:20:26,789 --> 00:20:24,559
of an incident about of a truck driver

444
00:20:29,590 --> 00:20:26,799
uh driving through belt montana which is

445
00:20:31,430 --> 00:20:29,600
uh oh about 20 or so miles

446
00:20:34,390 --> 00:20:31,440
outside of great falls he's just driving

447
00:20:36,950 --> 00:20:34,400
through belt montana

448
00:20:37,510 --> 00:20:36,960
and looks to his left and he sees this

449
00:20:42,070 --> 00:20:37,520
uh

450
00:20:44,549 --> 00:20:42,080
white light pacing him

451
00:20:45,430 --> 00:20:44,559
and a big bright white light he slams on

452
00:20:49,029 --> 00:20:45,440
his brakes

453
00:20:51,990 --> 00:20:49,039
can't make it uh what it is uh

454
00:20:53,669 --> 00:20:52,000
and it stops and he gets out of his

455
00:20:56,950 --> 00:20:53,679
truck takes a look and all of a sudden

456
00:21:00,789 --> 00:20:56,960
it um it lands it flies

457
00:21:02,230 --> 00:21:00,799
uh to into a gully and lands

458
00:21:03,990 --> 00:21:02,240
well at this point the truck driver

459
00:21:07,430 --> 00:21:04,000
calls the highway patrol the

460
00:21:10,950 --> 00:21:07,440
highway patrolman comes up buttonator

461
00:21:13,430 --> 00:21:10,960
and uh he sees the object

462
00:21:14,470 --> 00:21:13,440
landed on the ground he and the truck

463
00:21:17,750 --> 00:21:14,480
driver both

464
00:21:20,230 --> 00:21:17,760
saw this object so at this point

465
00:21:23,029 --> 00:21:20,240
nader contacts the air force the air

466
00:21:26,230 --> 00:21:23,039
force gets involved

467
00:21:29,190 --> 00:21:26,240
and that was one of many

468
00:21:31,669 --> 00:21:29,200
sightings that particular day the air

469
00:21:35,590 --> 00:21:31,679
force also had sightings

470
00:21:38,390 --> 00:21:35,600
by people on the base this is almstrum

471
00:21:40,789 --> 00:21:38,400
on radar and this was written up in the

472
00:21:43,909 --> 00:21:40,799
local newspaper i've got copies of the

473
00:21:44,470 --> 00:21:43,919
clippings of that report but there was

474
00:21:46,710 --> 00:21:44,480
also

475
00:21:47,990 --> 00:21:46,720
an official air force report about this

476
00:21:51,190 --> 00:21:48,000
sighting

477
00:21:55,350 --> 00:21:51,200
well uh when we contacted um

478
00:21:59,110 --> 00:21:55,360
robert jameson or uh jamison was

479
00:22:03,110 --> 00:21:59,120
an air force captain at the time i think

480
00:22:06,549 --> 00:22:03,120
uh but he was in charge of uh um

481
00:22:08,470 --> 00:22:06,559
missile targeting crew so

482
00:22:10,710 --> 00:22:08,480
all these missiles had to be retargeted

483
00:22:13,029 --> 00:22:10,720
because

484
00:22:14,070 --> 00:22:13,039
they didn't receive any uh serious

485
00:22:17,190 --> 00:22:14,080
damage

486
00:22:20,549 --> 00:22:17,200
the simply the navigational system was

487
00:22:22,149 --> 00:22:20,559
upset and therefore the targeting had to

488
00:22:24,549 --> 00:22:22,159
be reset

489
00:22:26,310 --> 00:22:24,559
otherwise um they would know where to go

490
00:22:30,789 --> 00:22:26,320
if they were launched so

491
00:22:34,630 --> 00:22:30,799
anyway jameson recalls

492
00:22:38,230 --> 00:22:34,640
the reports of the belt siding

493
00:22:40,870 --> 00:22:38,240
as they were happening uh because he was

494
00:22:43,909 --> 00:22:40,880
at the maintenance facility

495
00:22:45,270 --> 00:22:43,919
uh standing by he was also told that

496
00:22:47,909 --> 00:22:45,280
they were standing by because there were

497
00:22:50,950 --> 00:22:47,919
ufo reports in the field

498
00:22:54,070 --> 00:22:50,960
and um and that's how we were able to he

499
00:22:56,710 --> 00:22:54,080
remembers that particular date

500
00:22:58,149 --> 00:22:56,720
well the date was in the newspaper too

501
00:23:01,270 --> 00:22:58,159
so he remembers

502
00:23:03,270 --> 00:23:01,280
that particular report and that's how we

503
00:23:06,310 --> 00:23:03,280
established the oscar flight

504
00:23:08,789 --> 00:23:06,320
shutdown date wow

505
00:23:09,750 --> 00:23:08,799
i'm going to ask you to extrapolate for

506
00:23:11,750 --> 00:23:09,760
a second if

507
00:23:13,350 --> 00:23:11,760
like we're going to go off topic for one

508
00:23:17,029 --> 00:23:13,360
second because

509
00:23:21,110 --> 00:23:17,039
recently we had grant cameron on and um

510
00:23:24,549 --> 00:23:21,120
he had as a young man in the early 70s

511
00:23:25,830 --> 00:23:24,559
a number of sightings with a lot of

512
00:23:29,750 --> 00:23:25,840
other people

513
00:23:32,710 --> 00:23:29,760
just outside of edmonton manitoba

514
00:23:34,789 --> 00:23:32,720
i believe canada and he had these

515
00:23:37,830 --> 00:23:34,799
sightings of a red pulsating

516
00:23:38,390 --> 00:23:37,840
object along with probably hundreds of

517
00:23:41,590 --> 00:23:38,400
other

518
00:23:44,230 --> 00:23:41,600
people in

519
00:23:44,710 --> 00:23:44,240
that area which is apparently five miles

520
00:23:46,549 --> 00:23:44,720
from

521
00:23:49,110 --> 00:23:46,559
the u.s border are you familiar with

522
00:23:52,710 --> 00:23:49,120
that at all

523
00:23:55,830 --> 00:23:52,720
no i'm i'm not really familiar with that

524
00:23:59,110 --> 00:23:55,840
i know greg is a substantially

525
00:23:59,830 --> 00:23:59,120
respected researcher so uh i i don't

526
00:24:02,870 --> 00:23:59,840
doubt it

527
00:24:05,510 --> 00:24:02,880
yeah um i just wondered just

528
00:24:06,549 --> 00:24:05,520
out of curiosity if you had any idea how

529
00:24:10,390 --> 00:24:06,559
far

530
00:24:13,190 --> 00:24:10,400
that was from maelstrom uh it seems to

531
00:24:15,909 --> 00:24:13,200
yeah well montana is right on the

532
00:24:19,430 --> 00:24:15,919
canadian border and alberta

533
00:24:22,470 --> 00:24:19,440
is just to the north of montana

534
00:24:23,510 --> 00:24:22,480
i think uh maybe a little slightly to

535
00:24:26,310 --> 00:24:23,520
the east but

536
00:24:27,110 --> 00:24:26,320
pretty close because i know uh i've been

537
00:24:30,390 --> 00:24:27,120
to alberta

538
00:24:31,110 --> 00:24:30,400
calgary i believe calgary is there yep

539
00:24:34,390 --> 00:24:31,120
yep

540
00:24:37,430 --> 00:24:34,400
so uh yeah fairly close

541
00:24:40,230 --> 00:24:37,440
well i just point that out as a few

542
00:24:41,430 --> 00:24:40,240
years in between but the description of

543
00:24:44,470 --> 00:24:41,440
the plasma-like

544
00:24:47,909 --> 00:24:44,480
object is almost identical uh

545
00:24:51,510 --> 00:24:47,919
and his plasma-like object it got to be

546
00:24:53,110 --> 00:24:51,520
so known in that town that it actually

547
00:24:54,789 --> 00:24:53,120
achieved the name they called the

548
00:24:57,909 --> 00:24:54,799
charlie red star

549
00:25:01,510 --> 00:24:57,919
and um it was just a phenomena that

550
00:25:04,630 --> 00:25:01,520
well it set grant off on his uh quest

551
00:25:05,350 --> 00:25:04,640
for uh learning about what the ufos are

552
00:25:07,510 --> 00:25:05,360
but

553
00:25:08,950 --> 00:25:07,520
i just wanted to see if if you knew

554
00:25:12,470 --> 00:25:08,960
anything about that

555
00:25:16,070 --> 00:25:12,480
now um moving on to

556
00:25:17,830 --> 00:25:16,080
uh some of your other experiences you

557
00:25:20,630 --> 00:25:17,840
had this experience but

558
00:25:21,909 --> 00:25:20,640
you also had some other experiences

559
00:25:26,070 --> 00:25:21,919
involving

560
00:25:32,390 --> 00:25:30,149
how can i say this uh e.t contact

561
00:25:33,430 --> 00:25:32,400
that's yeah that's the easiest way to

562
00:25:37,029 --> 00:25:33,440
say it

563
00:25:39,909 --> 00:25:37,039
yes well

564
00:25:42,070 --> 00:25:39,919
yeah this uh the one uh you're referring

565
00:25:45,430 --> 00:25:42,080
to the one i put in my book and

566
00:25:49,269 --> 00:25:45,440
i'm speaking about this now for oh

567
00:25:52,789 --> 00:25:49,279
let's see since um i want to say

568
00:25:54,310 --> 00:25:52,799
since about 2012 so it's been about six

569
00:25:57,669 --> 00:25:54,320
years i think

570
00:26:00,870 --> 00:25:57,679
publicly um and uh

571
00:26:02,310 --> 00:26:00,880
it happened in 1985 i i was

572
00:26:05,510 --> 00:26:02,320
out of the air force by that i was

573
00:26:07,510 --> 00:26:05,520
working for faa and i was living in

574
00:26:10,070 --> 00:26:07,520
manhattan beach california a little

575
00:26:13,110 --> 00:26:10,080
beach community and

576
00:26:17,269 --> 00:26:13,120
and so i remember the particular house

577
00:26:20,390 --> 00:26:17,279
where i was in 1985 because

578
00:26:23,190 --> 00:26:20,400
i had been remodeling houses

579
00:26:24,950 --> 00:26:23,200
uh my own house and then selling and

580
00:26:27,669 --> 00:26:24,960
remodeling and selling uh

581
00:26:29,510 --> 00:26:27,679
trying to get close to the beach but so

582
00:26:32,470 --> 00:26:29,520
i remember where i was

583
00:26:33,110 --> 00:26:32,480
i remember the house and then so i i got

584
00:26:36,950 --> 00:26:33,120
the date

585
00:26:40,070 --> 00:26:36,960
from because i knew where the house was

586
00:26:43,110 --> 00:26:40,080
uh my wife and i had two

587
00:26:46,310 --> 00:26:43,120
small kids in the house um we were

588
00:26:46,789 --> 00:26:46,320
sleeping middle of the night uh i wake

589
00:26:57,669 --> 00:26:46,799
up

590
00:26:58,710 --> 00:26:57,679
coming from our living room i wake my

591
00:27:04,830 --> 00:26:58,720
wife up

592
00:27:12,549 --> 00:27:07,830
thinking

593
00:27:15,110 --> 00:27:12,559
um there might be a burglar in the house

594
00:27:15,669 --> 00:27:15,120
so i tell her i'm gonna get up and take

595
00:27:18,870 --> 00:27:15,679
a look

596
00:27:23,190 --> 00:27:18,880
and uh as i start to get up i'm

597
00:27:25,990 --> 00:27:23,200
paralyzed i can't move and i remember

598
00:27:27,269 --> 00:27:26,000
uh struggling struggling uh so

599
00:27:29,350 --> 00:27:27,279
desperately because

600
00:27:31,269 --> 00:27:29,360
of course we had two two small kids in

601
00:27:33,909 --> 00:27:31,279
the house

602
00:27:37,750 --> 00:27:33,919
and so i turned to my wife for help and

603
00:27:43,990 --> 00:27:40,789
and i'm still struggling i can't move

604
00:27:45,990 --> 00:27:44,000
anything except maybe my head i can turn

605
00:27:49,909 --> 00:27:46,000
my head a little bit

606
00:27:53,430 --> 00:27:49,919
uh next thing i know i i

607
00:27:54,950 --> 00:27:53,440
i see a what looks like a person with a

608
00:27:58,310 --> 00:27:54,960
hood

609
00:27:59,110 --> 00:27:58,320
in the front door uh can't make out the

610
00:28:02,310 --> 00:27:59,120
face

611
00:28:04,470 --> 00:28:02,320
it's dark um but

612
00:28:06,070 --> 00:28:04,480
i'm also aware that there are other

613
00:28:09,510 --> 00:28:06,080
small beings

614
00:28:11,340 --> 00:28:09,520
in the house uh i don't

615
00:28:12,950 --> 00:28:11,350
honestly recall

616
00:28:15,590 --> 00:28:12,960
[Music]

617
00:28:16,710 --> 00:28:15,600
the appearance of these beings other

618
00:28:19,990 --> 00:28:16,720
than they were

619
00:28:23,029 --> 00:28:20,000
child like they were small like

620
00:28:27,830 --> 00:28:23,039
children like small children

621
00:28:28,830 --> 00:28:27,840
and um at that point i was lifted off my

622
00:28:31,669 --> 00:28:28,840
bed

623
00:28:34,789 --> 00:28:31,679
uh

624
00:28:38,950 --> 00:28:34,799
so i was kind of floating in the air

625
00:28:42,070 --> 00:28:38,960
being directed or guided

626
00:28:44,870 --> 00:28:42,080
to the window that of our bedroom

627
00:28:45,269 --> 00:28:44,880
now i had locked that window and i

628
00:28:47,750 --> 00:28:45,279
thought

629
00:28:49,990 --> 00:28:47,760
you know these small kids don't know how

630
00:28:50,470 --> 00:28:50,000
to unlatch it they can't reach the latch

631
00:28:54,789 --> 00:28:50,480
or

632
00:28:57,750 --> 00:28:54,799
you know so uh

633
00:28:58,549 --> 00:28:57,760
but uh and this is gonna sound crazy i

634
00:29:01,510 --> 00:28:58,559
know

635
00:29:02,230 --> 00:29:01,520
uh but this is what i recall and and

636
00:29:05,510 --> 00:29:02,240
this wreck

637
00:29:08,789 --> 00:29:05,520
these recollections have come from

638
00:29:09,430 --> 00:29:08,799
about four um hypnotherapy sessions that

639
00:29:12,630 --> 00:29:09,440
i've had

640
00:29:14,470 --> 00:29:12,640
uh to recover these memories so

641
00:29:16,710 --> 00:29:14,480
what i recall is going right through the

642
00:29:20,149 --> 00:29:16,720
window now the window was never

643
00:29:21,190 --> 00:29:20,159
opened it can remain closed i went right

644
00:29:24,630 --> 00:29:21,200
through the window

645
00:29:25,029 --> 00:29:24,640
and and then the next thing i recall is

646
00:29:28,870 --> 00:29:25,039
being

647
00:29:32,710 --> 00:29:28,880
on a table in apparently the

648
00:29:36,070 --> 00:29:32,720
craft or ufo uh i call it a craft

649
00:29:39,350 --> 00:29:36,080
anyway um and i was being shown these

650
00:29:41,909 --> 00:29:39,360
this long needle and it was actually

651
00:29:45,510 --> 00:29:41,919
placed in front of my eyes

652
00:29:49,510 --> 00:29:45,520
and it was held uh by bony

653
00:29:53,029 --> 00:29:49,520
long bony fingers on either end of this

654
00:29:55,830 --> 00:29:53,039
needle-like device uh

655
00:29:57,750 --> 00:29:55,840
and i was told telepathically that they

656
00:29:58,789 --> 00:29:57,760
were going to insert this needle into my

657
00:30:02,470 --> 00:29:58,799
groin

658
00:30:04,389 --> 00:30:02,480
and that it would not hurt

659
00:30:05,830 --> 00:30:04,399
well when they started their procedure

660
00:30:09,350 --> 00:30:05,840
it hurt like

661
00:30:12,710 --> 00:30:09,360
hell and uh i i i

662
00:30:14,630 --> 00:30:12,720
i said that and uh all of a sudden the

663
00:30:16,710 --> 00:30:14,640
pain just kind of disappeared it just

664
00:30:17,669 --> 00:30:16,720
went away almost immediately as soon as

665
00:30:21,430 --> 00:30:17,679
i expressed

666
00:30:24,549 --> 00:30:21,440
that i was in pain um

667
00:30:27,990 --> 00:30:24,559
after that um

668
00:30:31,990 --> 00:30:28,000
uh i was taken to another uh small

669
00:30:35,029 --> 00:30:32,000
room um saw another small being

670
00:30:36,630 --> 00:30:35,039
you know white i actually had a white

671
00:30:40,149 --> 00:30:36,640
coat on or i imagined it

672
00:30:41,830 --> 00:30:40,159
it did um it turned me around

673
00:30:43,350 --> 00:30:41,840
and checked my spine it just poked

674
00:30:46,630 --> 00:30:43,360
fingers down my spine

675
00:30:51,430 --> 00:30:46,640
and and then i was uh

676
00:30:54,950 --> 00:30:51,440
escorted out a curved tunnel way

677
00:30:58,230 --> 00:30:54,960
and saw white light and

678
00:30:59,110 --> 00:30:58,240
then i was back in my bed the next

679
00:31:02,389 --> 00:30:59,120
morning

680
00:31:06,149 --> 00:31:02,399
i don't recall any of this

681
00:31:10,789 --> 00:31:06,159
there was no memory and immediate memory

682
00:31:13,830 --> 00:31:10,799
and it wasn't until 2007

683
00:31:16,710 --> 00:31:13,840
i want to say i was in um

684
00:31:18,149 --> 00:31:16,720
ireland at a ufo conference and

685
00:31:21,430 --> 00:31:18,159
listening to a

686
00:31:24,470 --> 00:31:21,440
an experiencer an abductee

687
00:31:25,430 --> 00:31:24,480
and she talked about a blue light well i

688
00:31:27,909 --> 00:31:25,440
had my wife

689
00:31:28,630 --> 00:31:27,919
sitting next to me and i turned to her

690
00:31:32,070 --> 00:31:28,640
because

691
00:31:35,110 --> 00:31:32,080
they kind of sparked a memory

692
00:31:36,630 --> 00:31:35,120
and i turned to her and said do you

693
00:31:39,269 --> 00:31:36,640
recall a blue light

694
00:31:41,029 --> 00:31:39,279
ever coming into our room and she said

695
00:31:42,630 --> 00:31:41,039
yes

696
00:31:44,549 --> 00:31:42,640
she said yeah she hadn't mentioned

697
00:31:47,669 --> 00:31:44,559
anything about that um

698
00:31:51,830 --> 00:31:47,679
you know all that time some

699
00:31:55,909 --> 00:31:51,840
what is that um 22 years or so

700
00:31:57,269 --> 00:31:55,919
wow yeah so that's why i started getting

701
00:32:01,190 --> 00:31:57,279
um

702
00:32:03,750 --> 00:32:01,200
hypnotherapy and was able to recover

703
00:32:04,710 --> 00:32:03,760
uh these meager memories that i just

704
00:32:08,389 --> 00:32:04,720
told you

705
00:32:11,669 --> 00:32:08,399
well that is very very interesting

706
00:32:14,950 --> 00:32:11,679
and um what i would like to ask you well

707
00:32:18,789 --> 00:32:14,960
to tell you directly uh all of us here

708
00:32:22,149 --> 00:32:18,799
are experiencers of some sort um

709
00:32:25,590 --> 00:32:22,159
and myself included and i i have written

710
00:32:28,870 --> 00:32:25,600
on my blog somewhat extensively about

711
00:32:31,269 --> 00:32:28,880
the idea of so-called

712
00:32:31,909 --> 00:32:31,279
sleep paralysis and i say so-called

713
00:32:34,310 --> 00:32:31,919
because

714
00:32:35,269 --> 00:32:34,320
i think there's a little more to it than

715
00:32:38,470 --> 00:32:35,279
that and i'm

716
00:32:40,710 --> 00:32:38,480
going to my favorite phrase

717
00:32:42,070 --> 00:32:40,720
involving this comes from somebody that

718
00:32:43,830 --> 00:32:42,080
you know better than i do

719
00:32:47,830 --> 00:32:43,840
though i've met the gentleman a few

720
00:32:51,269 --> 00:32:47,840
times uh stanton friedman

721
00:32:54,070 --> 00:32:51,279
says calls humans

722
00:32:56,789 --> 00:32:54,080
angry apes with guns and that was a

723
00:32:58,389 --> 00:32:56,799
phrase that i've stolen from him stanton

724
00:33:00,710 --> 00:32:58,399
thank you so much for that phrase

725
00:33:04,230 --> 00:33:00,720
because i've used it many times

726
00:33:06,870 --> 00:33:04,240
and um to me it makes perfect

727
00:33:07,590 --> 00:33:06,880
sense that the others whoever the others

728
00:33:09,669 --> 00:33:07,600
may be

729
00:33:10,870 --> 00:33:09,679
and we're going to go into that in a

730
00:33:14,789 --> 00:33:10,880
little bit

731
00:33:15,549 --> 00:33:14,799
but whoever they are whether they be ets

732
00:33:23,430 --> 00:33:15,559
or

733
00:33:27,110 --> 00:33:23,440
things

734
00:33:27,990 --> 00:33:27,120
humans must just seem like angry apes

735
00:33:31,110 --> 00:33:28,000
with guns

736
00:33:34,470 --> 00:33:31,120
and what better way to subdue an

737
00:33:37,990 --> 00:33:34,480
angry ape with a gun than to

738
00:33:41,269 --> 00:33:38,000
put that individual in a natural

739
00:33:44,310 --> 00:33:41,279
state that we all sometimes have

740
00:33:45,909 --> 00:33:44,320
to in order to keep us from acting out

741
00:33:49,430 --> 00:33:45,919
our dreams that is

742
00:33:53,350 --> 00:33:49,440
sleep paralysis and thereby

743
00:33:54,389 --> 00:33:53,360
they can extract whatever information

744
00:33:57,190 --> 00:33:54,399
they want from us

745
00:33:57,830 --> 00:33:57,200
give us information they can sort of

746
00:34:02,070 --> 00:33:57,840
control

747
00:34:06,070 --> 00:34:02,080
us through this natural

748
00:34:09,270 --> 00:34:06,080
uh biological state that dogs have it

749
00:34:11,190 --> 00:34:09,280
horses have it cats have it yeah well i

750
00:34:12,790 --> 00:34:11,200
i'd like to just make the point that

751
00:34:15,510 --> 00:34:12,800
this was not a dream

752
00:34:17,669 --> 00:34:15,520
okay no absolutely not i i believe you

753
00:34:21,030 --> 00:34:17,679
100 percent that it wasn't

754
00:34:24,470 --> 00:34:21,040
nor were my experiences dreams so

755
00:34:25,270 --> 00:34:24,480
there's no argument from this quarter

756
00:34:27,430 --> 00:34:25,280
here

757
00:34:28,869 --> 00:34:27,440
about that though other folks might

758
00:34:32,790 --> 00:34:28,879
argue it but

759
00:34:35,349 --> 00:34:32,800
um i'm always a little bit um

760
00:34:36,389 --> 00:34:35,359
suspicious and suspicious is kind of

761
00:34:42,950 --> 00:34:36,399
over

762
00:34:43,750 --> 00:34:42,960
i don't i'm suspicious okay of people

763
00:34:46,069 --> 00:34:43,760
who aren't

764
00:34:47,190 --> 00:34:46,079
experiencers who then make

765
00:34:50,790 --> 00:34:47,200
pronouncements

766
00:34:54,149 --> 00:34:50,800
about what happens to experiencers okay

767
00:34:58,550 --> 00:34:54,159
right right i understand so

768
00:35:01,270 --> 00:34:58,560
um that being said um

769
00:35:01,670 --> 00:35:01,280
did you at the time that you recovered

770
00:35:05,030 --> 00:35:01,680
this

771
00:35:05,589 --> 00:35:05,040
memory and you and and hats off to your

772
00:35:07,430 --> 00:35:05,599
wife i

773
00:35:09,670 --> 00:35:07,440
i just understand that she's the most

774
00:35:10,390 --> 00:35:09,680
wonderful person who has been extremely

775
00:35:13,349 --> 00:35:10,400
supportive

776
00:35:14,829 --> 00:35:13,359
in your life to your experiences when

777
00:35:17,270 --> 00:35:14,839
when as they have

778
00:35:18,950 --> 00:35:17,280
emerged thank you for mentioning her and

779
00:35:19,990 --> 00:35:18,960
you're absolutely right she is a

780
00:35:22,390 --> 00:35:20,000
wonderful person

781
00:35:25,109 --> 00:35:22,400
yeah and everything that i've read in

782
00:35:29,190 --> 00:35:25,119
here and heard you speak of elsewhere

783
00:35:30,390 --> 00:35:29,200
um i i can i can say uh she is a very

784
00:35:34,230 --> 00:35:30,400
very um

785
00:35:36,470 --> 00:35:34,240
supportive and wonderful individual

786
00:35:37,750 --> 00:35:36,480
but at the time when you recovered this

787
00:35:40,870 --> 00:35:37,760
memory

788
00:35:41,990 --> 00:35:40,880
and your wife said she remembered it as

789
00:35:45,670 --> 00:35:42,000
well

790
00:35:48,150 --> 00:35:45,680
um did you in any way connect it

791
00:35:48,790 --> 00:35:48,160
to what happened with oscar flight or

792
00:35:52,310 --> 00:35:48,800
was it

793
00:35:55,910 --> 00:35:52,320
a apart from that

794
00:35:58,950 --> 00:35:55,920
uh well not at first um

795
00:36:01,270 --> 00:35:58,960
but uh the more i

796
00:36:02,150 --> 00:36:01,280
think of it and and what i haven't

797
00:36:05,670 --> 00:36:02,160
stated

798
00:36:08,950 --> 00:36:05,680
is but uh i think is true is that

799
00:36:12,230 --> 00:36:08,960
we had my wife had separate experiences

800
00:36:16,390 --> 00:36:12,240
um and i've had second uh

801
00:36:18,790 --> 00:36:16,400
other experiences of the same kind

802
00:36:20,470 --> 00:36:18,800
i i just don't have all the details

803
00:36:21,430 --> 00:36:20,480
nailed down yet so that's why i haven't

804
00:36:24,630 --> 00:36:21,440
spoken of them but

805
00:36:27,430 --> 00:36:24,640
i do have little bits and pieces

806
00:36:29,030 --> 00:36:27,440
written down in a journal and uh my wife

807
00:36:32,390 --> 00:36:29,040
also has

808
00:36:35,510 --> 00:36:32,400
bits and pieces but um uh

809
00:36:38,870 --> 00:36:35,520
i think uh they have been tracking me

810
00:36:42,310 --> 00:36:38,880
probably since um since the uh

811
00:36:43,990 --> 00:36:42,320
the uh missile shutdown incident and of

812
00:36:47,109 --> 00:36:44,000
course i think

813
00:36:50,470 --> 00:36:47,119
i've got a kind of um

814
00:36:53,910 --> 00:36:50,480
uh let's say task

815
00:36:54,710 --> 00:36:53,920
to speak about uh the dangers of nuclear

816
00:36:58,069 --> 00:36:54,720
weapons

817
00:37:00,069 --> 00:36:58,079
as a result of my experience so

818
00:37:01,670 --> 00:37:00,079
and that's what i've been trying to do

819
00:37:05,270 --> 00:37:01,680
um

820
00:37:07,990 --> 00:37:05,280
since since i

821
00:37:09,510 --> 00:37:08,000
started speaking openly and and that is

822
00:37:12,790 --> 00:37:09,520
connecting

823
00:37:17,990 --> 00:37:12,800
the nuclear weapons issue worldwide

824
00:37:20,470 --> 00:37:18,000
to the my ufo incidents

825
00:37:21,349 --> 00:37:20,480
well that's a noble that's a noble cause

826
00:37:25,109 --> 00:37:21,359
to follow

827
00:37:28,630 --> 00:37:25,119
absolutely um and uh

828
00:37:31,910 --> 00:37:28,640
let's see um moving from the

829
00:37:35,349 --> 00:37:31,920
actual uh your experiences uh

830
00:37:36,310 --> 00:37:35,359
in you you spoke in your book a lot

831
00:37:39,349 --> 00:37:36,320
about

832
00:37:42,390 --> 00:37:39,359
game theory which i found rather

833
00:37:44,950 --> 00:37:42,400
fascinating it's it's something that has

834
00:37:45,430 --> 00:37:44,960
always interested me that is game theory

835
00:37:48,550 --> 00:37:45,440
and

836
00:37:52,069 --> 00:37:48,560
how you applied it to the

837
00:37:54,470 --> 00:37:52,079
ufo cover-up and um

838
00:37:56,950 --> 00:37:54,480
how the game is played do you want to do

839
00:37:59,750 --> 00:37:56,960
you want to speak to that for a minute

840
00:38:01,349 --> 00:37:59,760
yes i'll talk a little bit about uh it's

841
00:38:04,390 --> 00:38:01,359
called a zero-sum game

842
00:38:07,430 --> 00:38:04,400
it is a part of game

843
00:38:10,550 --> 00:38:07,440
theory uh a zero-sum

844
00:38:12,550 --> 00:38:10,560
game uh very briefly um

845
00:38:13,829 --> 00:38:12,560
uh let's say you and i are playing a

846
00:38:15,910 --> 00:38:13,839
game and

847
00:38:18,870 --> 00:38:15,920
uh the first one that wins a hundred

848
00:38:21,990 --> 00:38:18,880
points wins the game

849
00:38:26,069 --> 00:38:22,000
well if in playing this

850
00:38:29,589 --> 00:38:26,079
game i happen to win

851
00:38:32,390 --> 00:38:29,599
20 points that means

852
00:38:34,390 --> 00:38:32,400
you don't have 20 points or you've got

853
00:38:37,109 --> 00:38:34,400
minus 20 points so

854
00:38:37,829 --> 00:38:37,119
if you add plus 20 and minus 20 you get

855
00:38:45,190 --> 00:38:37,839
zero

856
00:38:48,150 --> 00:38:45,200
comes from so

857
00:38:49,270 --> 00:38:48,160
what i did is i i looked at uh the game

858
00:38:51,829 --> 00:38:49,280
we're playing with

859
00:38:53,349 --> 00:38:51,839
uh what i call the ufo cabal the ufo

860
00:38:56,550 --> 00:38:53,359
cabal

861
00:39:00,069 --> 00:38:56,560
uh i believe and i'm convinced exists

862
00:39:03,829 --> 00:39:00,079
it's a organization uh composed

863
00:39:07,589 --> 00:39:03,839
of probably um intelligence

864
00:39:11,190 --> 00:39:07,599
operatives in different countries

865
00:39:14,950 --> 00:39:11,200
and and run primarily by the us

866
00:39:18,230 --> 00:39:14,960
because we seem to have um

867
00:39:19,190 --> 00:39:18,240
more influence in the world and and so i

868
00:39:21,109 --> 00:39:19,200
think there is an

869
00:39:22,870 --> 00:39:21,119
international organization that's

870
00:39:26,150 --> 00:39:22,880
collecting ufo

871
00:39:29,430 --> 00:39:26,160
artifacts and ufo testimony

872
00:39:32,870 --> 00:39:29,440
and uh has now as knowledge of

873
00:39:34,470 --> 00:39:32,880
the main witnesses to actual ufo events

874
00:39:36,470 --> 00:39:34,480
and they're collecting this information

875
00:39:37,910 --> 00:39:36,480
of course for their own purposes i think

876
00:39:42,470 --> 00:39:37,920
at first

877
00:39:45,510 --> 00:39:42,480
um they were doing it um

878
00:39:46,150 --> 00:39:45,520
uh for their own education and and also

879
00:39:49,670 --> 00:39:46,160
the re

880
00:39:53,109 --> 00:39:49,680
rec uh um to uh

881
00:39:56,550 --> 00:39:53,119
protect um the public maybe from

882
00:40:00,390 --> 00:39:56,560
the the reaction that might ensue from

883
00:40:00,710 --> 00:40:00,400
this knowledge but i think now it's more

884
00:40:07,910 --> 00:40:00,720
of

885
00:40:08,829 --> 00:40:07,920
agreed because there have derived

886
00:40:12,470 --> 00:40:08,839
certain

887
00:40:16,950 --> 00:40:12,480
technologies that the ufos or the ets

888
00:40:20,470 --> 00:40:16,960
possess and are probably using those

889
00:40:20,950 --> 00:40:20,480
for profit and also these secrets can be

890
00:40:25,270 --> 00:40:20,960
used

891
00:40:27,990 --> 00:40:25,280
as as bargaining chips

892
00:40:28,470 --> 00:40:28,000
for uh with other intelligence agencies

893
00:40:31,270 --> 00:40:28,480
for

894
00:40:31,829 --> 00:40:31,280
uh exchange of intelligence on on

895
00:40:34,470 --> 00:40:31,839
probably

896
00:40:36,790 --> 00:40:34,480
many other things so i think those are

897
00:40:40,309 --> 00:40:36,800
the two main reasons the ufo cabal is

898
00:40:43,430 --> 00:40:40,319
keeping these secrets from the public

899
00:40:45,829 --> 00:40:43,440
and so people like uh

900
00:40:47,589 --> 00:40:45,839
you and i uh who are trying to reveal

901
00:40:50,390 --> 00:40:47,599
the truth of this

902
00:40:53,589 --> 00:40:50,400
phenomenon are engaged whether we like

903
00:40:56,950 --> 00:40:53,599
it or not

904
00:41:00,550 --> 00:40:56,960
in a in this zero-sum game

905
00:41:03,589 --> 00:41:00,560
and and uh of course they

906
00:41:07,030 --> 00:41:03,599
uh they

907
00:41:08,870 --> 00:41:07,040
engage up in in ways like for example

908
00:41:11,750 --> 00:41:08,880
disinformation

909
00:41:13,750 --> 00:41:11,760
and so they earn points with uh

910
00:41:17,430 --> 00:41:13,760
spreading lies about it

911
00:41:20,950 --> 00:41:17,440
and ridiculing it etc

912
00:41:23,589 --> 00:41:20,960
and in other ways intimidating witnesses

913
00:41:24,630 --> 00:41:23,599
on and on i go on it about it in my book

914
00:41:27,910 --> 00:41:24,640
and

915
00:41:30,790 --> 00:41:27,920
of course we gain points by um

916
00:41:31,829 --> 00:41:30,800
uh disclosing the truth of the matter

917
00:41:34,470 --> 00:41:31,839
and uh

918
00:41:35,190 --> 00:41:34,480
that's why i think we're engaged in this

919
00:41:37,109 --> 00:41:35,200
game and

920
00:41:39,270 --> 00:41:37,119
i'm just not talking about myself of

921
00:41:41,190 --> 00:41:39,280
course i'm talking about

922
00:41:42,350 --> 00:41:41,200
the many other credible witnesses that

923
00:41:43,750 --> 00:41:42,360
are out there

924
00:41:45,589 --> 00:41:43,760
[Music]

925
00:41:47,109 --> 00:41:45,599
part of the problem the reason i bring

926
00:41:49,910 --> 00:41:47,119
this up is because

927
00:41:50,790 --> 00:41:49,920
part of the problem is um some of these

928
00:41:53,349 --> 00:41:50,800
stories that were

929
00:41:55,589 --> 00:41:53,359
are being circulated or false stories

930
00:41:58,150 --> 00:41:55,599
and and people that are involved either

931
00:41:59,670 --> 00:41:58,160
knowingly or unknowingly and spreading

932
00:42:02,309 --> 00:41:59,680
these are um

933
00:42:05,190 --> 00:42:02,319
are hurting our side and helping the

934
00:42:07,270 --> 00:42:05,200
other side so

935
00:42:09,510 --> 00:42:07,280
well there's the entertainment factor

936
00:42:13,510 --> 00:42:09,520
which is is really

937
00:42:16,309 --> 00:42:13,520
um kind of it can be

938
00:42:17,190 --> 00:42:16,319
like passingly interesting but mostly

939
00:42:20,870 --> 00:42:17,200
annoying

940
00:42:23,910 --> 00:42:20,880
um in terms of well have you seen this

941
00:42:27,190 --> 00:42:23,920
latest uh ufo

942
00:42:30,550 --> 00:42:27,200
uh show project blue book

943
00:42:31,270 --> 00:42:30,560
yes i've seen one and a half episodes

944
00:42:34,950 --> 00:42:31,280
but go ahead

945
00:42:36,470 --> 00:42:34,960
go go for it well there's pluses and

946
00:42:40,630 --> 00:42:36,480
minus to a show like that

947
00:42:42,950 --> 00:42:40,640
uh the plus side they they do talk about

948
00:42:44,309 --> 00:42:42,960
at the end of the show if if you wait

949
00:42:47,750 --> 00:42:44,319
that long they talk about

950
00:42:51,430 --> 00:42:47,760
actual reports uh ufo incidents

951
00:42:53,670 --> 00:42:51,440
uh that are similar to some of the

952
00:42:55,109 --> 00:42:53,680
themes they covered in the particular

953
00:42:58,230 --> 00:42:55,119
show

954
00:43:02,390 --> 00:42:58,240
on the negative side there's a lot of

955
00:43:05,670 --> 00:43:02,400
woo-woo not but you know elaborate

956
00:43:08,069 --> 00:43:05,680
baloney that that they show during the

957
00:43:09,270 --> 00:43:08,079
production and just for entertainment

958
00:43:11,030 --> 00:43:09,280
value

959
00:43:13,270 --> 00:43:11,040
and so that detracts from the

960
00:43:16,870 --> 00:43:13,280
credibility so

961
00:43:18,870 --> 00:43:16,880
uh on the whole uh i i just i'd like to

962
00:43:24,829 --> 00:43:18,880
see the show be a little bit

963
00:43:32,150 --> 00:43:28,790
showmanship are you familiar with the

964
00:43:34,470 --> 00:43:32,160
the recent work of uh dr diana walsh

965
00:43:37,910 --> 00:43:34,480
posalka

966
00:43:38,950 --> 00:43:37,920
um name sounds familiar but no i'm not

967
00:43:42,390 --> 00:43:38,960
really familiar with that

968
00:43:45,109 --> 00:43:42,400
i do recommend her uh her latest book if

969
00:43:45,589 --> 00:43:45,119
it as something of interest at this

970
00:43:48,069 --> 00:43:45,599
point

971
00:43:48,790 --> 00:43:48,079
by the way i want to mention the name of

972
00:43:50,790 --> 00:43:48,800
your book

973
00:43:53,430 --> 00:43:50,800
that we have been discussing which is

974
00:43:56,309 --> 00:43:53,440
unidentified the ufo phenomena

975
00:43:57,190 --> 00:43:56,319
how world governments have conspired to

976
00:44:01,190 --> 00:43:57,200
conceal

977
00:44:03,510 --> 00:44:01,200
humanity's biggest secrets okay

978
00:44:05,190 --> 00:44:03,520
thank you and i do i i do want to

979
00:44:07,349 --> 00:44:05,200
mention both of your books

980
00:44:08,550 --> 00:44:07,359
before we let you go at some juncture

981
00:44:11,829 --> 00:44:08,560
we're not going to

982
00:44:12,710 --> 00:44:11,839
let you go easy but before we let you go

983
00:44:15,829 --> 00:44:12,720
we want to

984
00:44:19,190 --> 00:44:15,839
mention those two books again um

985
00:44:21,510 --> 00:44:19,200
now it just to to say

986
00:44:22,630 --> 00:44:21,520
this she she contends that there's

987
00:44:25,829 --> 00:44:22,640
something out there

988
00:44:27,510 --> 00:44:25,839
that she calls the ufo fight club it's a

989
00:44:28,069 --> 00:44:27,520
kind of humorous thing that there are

990
00:44:30,870 --> 00:44:28,079
people

991
00:44:31,670 --> 00:44:30,880
out there who know about what's going on

992
00:44:35,109 --> 00:44:31,680
people

993
00:44:38,550 --> 00:44:35,119
in uh governmental and uh

994
00:44:40,150 --> 00:44:38,560
ngo type organizations and they kind of

995
00:44:41,750 --> 00:44:40,160
know what's some of the stuff that's

996
00:44:43,589 --> 00:44:41,760
going on and they hold

997
00:44:46,309 --> 00:44:43,599
secrets from everybody and the whole

998
00:44:47,589 --> 00:44:46,319
idea is that they don't talk about it to

999
00:44:49,589 --> 00:44:47,599
anybody

1000
00:44:51,589 --> 00:44:49,599
that's what the fight fight club is now

1001
00:44:52,309 --> 00:44:51,599
i never saw the movie the fight club so

1002
00:44:54,230 --> 00:44:52,319
i'm not

1003
00:44:55,750 --> 00:44:54,240
really familiar with that but she

1004
00:44:58,950 --> 00:44:55,760
contends that

1005
00:45:05,430 --> 00:44:58,960
that goes on and um how do you see

1006
00:45:08,550 --> 00:45:05,440
um the outcome of possible disclosure

1007
00:45:12,309 --> 00:45:08,560
well uh like i say we're involved in

1008
00:45:16,829 --> 00:45:12,319
a game uh it's a very real game i think

1009
00:45:18,870 --> 00:45:16,839
so disclosure will only happen

1010
00:45:23,109 --> 00:45:18,880
uh once

1011
00:45:24,950 --> 00:45:23,119
uh the other side quits or realizes that

1012
00:45:30,829 --> 00:45:24,960
the gig is up

1013
00:45:35,030 --> 00:45:32,870
um

1014
00:45:35,990 --> 00:45:35,040
i mean it one way it could happen of

1015
00:45:38,790 --> 00:45:36,000
course is if

1016
00:45:40,069 --> 00:45:38,800
e.t came down and said here we are we're

1017
00:45:43,109 --> 00:45:40,079
real etc

1018
00:45:45,910 --> 00:45:43,119
another way of course the government our

1019
00:45:47,750 --> 00:45:45,920
u.s government for example fessed up and

1020
00:45:50,550 --> 00:45:47,760
said

1021
00:45:52,870 --> 00:45:50,560
uh yeah we've been covering up this

1022
00:45:56,470 --> 00:45:52,880
issue for a long time but

1023
00:45:57,829 --> 00:45:56,480
i i'm not going to hold my breath either

1024
00:45:59,109 --> 00:45:57,839
one of those things are going to happen

1025
00:46:01,190 --> 00:45:59,119
so

1026
00:46:02,790 --> 00:46:01,200
what i think we need to do as a

1027
00:46:07,670 --> 00:46:02,800
community

1028
00:46:12,470 --> 00:46:10,630
double down on those stories that are

1029
00:46:15,589 --> 00:46:12,480
the most credible

1030
00:46:18,470 --> 00:46:15,599
and uh promote those

1031
00:46:20,390 --> 00:46:18,480
witnesses uh and encourage more

1032
00:46:23,670 --> 00:46:20,400
witnesses to come forward of course

1033
00:46:26,550 --> 00:46:23,680
uh that can provide

1034
00:46:28,950 --> 00:46:26,560
um support for their stories in the way

1035
00:46:31,990 --> 00:46:28,960
of witnesses or documents or

1036
00:46:34,069 --> 00:46:32,000
artifacts and

1037
00:46:35,910 --> 00:46:34,079
we just kind of need to police ourselves

1038
00:46:39,030 --> 00:46:35,920
because there's too many

1039
00:46:40,550 --> 00:46:39,040
what i call kibitzer's out there that

1040
00:46:43,750 --> 00:46:40,560
are

1041
00:46:44,470 --> 00:46:43,760
telling stories uh just to be in front

1042
00:46:48,150 --> 00:46:44,480
of

1043
00:46:50,950 --> 00:46:48,160
bucks

1044
00:46:53,589 --> 00:46:50,960
and um and and so we got we we have to

1045
00:46:56,790 --> 00:46:53,599
kind of police that ourselves

1046
00:46:59,589 --> 00:46:56,800
those of us that are serious about this

1047
00:47:00,230 --> 00:46:59,599
but i think eventually uh we will not be

1048
00:47:03,910 --> 00:47:00,240
able to

1049
00:47:05,910 --> 00:47:03,920
um ignore this uh

1050
00:47:07,109 --> 00:47:05,920
and i think eventually there will be

1051
00:47:10,470 --> 00:47:07,119
disclosure

1052
00:47:11,109 --> 00:47:10,480
at least that's my my hope oh mine as

1053
00:47:14,790 --> 00:47:11,119
well

1054
00:47:15,270 --> 00:47:14,800
um vis-a-vis that uh two things come to

1055
00:47:18,870 --> 00:47:15,280
mind

1056
00:47:22,230 --> 00:47:18,880
uh one thing that i recall

1057
00:47:22,790 --> 00:47:22,240
uh having to do with the government kind

1058
00:47:25,829 --> 00:47:22,800
of

1059
00:47:26,630 --> 00:47:25,839
surveilling some ufo groups at an

1060
00:47:29,990 --> 00:47:26,640
earlier

1061
00:47:30,790 --> 00:47:30,000
point in time because perhaps they felt

1062
00:47:35,030 --> 00:47:30,800
that there

1063
00:47:38,470 --> 00:47:35,040
could be say russian agents

1064
00:47:41,670 --> 00:47:38,480
infiltrating local ufo groups because

1065
00:47:43,589 --> 00:47:41,680
the these agents of russia or other

1066
00:47:46,069 --> 00:47:43,599
foreign countries for that matter

1067
00:47:48,549 --> 00:47:46,079
may have been trying to gain u.s

1068
00:47:52,230 --> 00:47:48,559
military secrets and some of the

1069
00:47:55,270 --> 00:47:52,240
things that may have been seen by some

1070
00:47:58,710 --> 00:47:55,280
investigators could have been advanced

1071
00:48:01,589 --> 00:47:58,720
aerospace things that that

1072
00:48:02,710 --> 00:48:01,599
the u.s government was testing in some

1073
00:48:05,510 --> 00:48:02,720
way or another

1074
00:48:08,470 --> 00:48:05,520
and they hope to entrap these foreign

1075
00:48:11,990 --> 00:48:10,710
is do you think that's there's any case

1076
00:48:15,510 --> 00:48:12,000
for that

1077
00:48:18,870 --> 00:48:15,520
well let me just say that

1078
00:48:22,470 --> 00:48:18,880
i have no doubt that all of the ufo

1079
00:48:22,950 --> 00:48:22,480
groups have been infiltrated in the past

1080
00:48:26,309 --> 00:48:22,960
and

1081
00:48:32,230 --> 00:48:26,319
possibly even today by

1082
00:48:38,630 --> 00:48:35,349
you know the ufo secret ufo group

1083
00:48:42,390 --> 00:48:38,640
um in order to spread this information

1084
00:48:45,829 --> 00:48:42,400
and uh you know disrupt

1085
00:48:48,630 --> 00:48:45,839
the the good efforts of those groups uh

1086
00:48:50,470 --> 00:48:48,640
whether or not there are foreign agents

1087
00:48:50,950 --> 00:48:50,480
uh looking for i think that's that's a

1088
00:48:54,549 --> 00:48:50,960
given

1089
00:48:57,030 --> 00:48:54,559
uh they are always uh looking for

1090
00:48:58,150 --> 00:48:57,040
uh you know they they're with us all the

1091
00:49:03,270 --> 00:48:58,160
time

1092
00:49:06,470 --> 00:49:03,280
i'm sure russian you name it chinese

1093
00:49:07,750 --> 00:49:06,480
are involved in trying to get whatever

1094
00:49:11,510 --> 00:49:07,760
secrets we have

1095
00:49:14,790 --> 00:49:11,520
about advanced systems weapon systems

1096
00:49:18,309 --> 00:49:14,800
so yeah that's going on no doubt

1097
00:49:21,670 --> 00:49:18,319
vis-a-vis everybody being surveilled

1098
00:49:22,549 --> 00:49:21,680
i have to bring up uh to to you and our

1099
00:49:25,270 --> 00:49:22,559
listeners that

1100
00:49:26,069 --> 00:49:25,280
uh i had the most immense pleasure

1101
00:49:28,390 --> 00:49:26,079
perhaps

1102
00:49:30,069 --> 00:49:28,400
of meeting a person in my entire life

1103
00:49:33,109 --> 00:49:30,079
when i

1104
00:49:35,589 --> 00:49:33,119
met dr edgar mitchell

1105
00:49:37,190 --> 00:49:35,599
some couple of years before his

1106
00:49:40,870 --> 00:49:37,200
unfortunate demise

1107
00:49:43,470 --> 00:49:40,880
and i asked him i had been

1108
00:49:44,870 --> 00:49:43,480
writing a blog and i had been

1109
00:49:48,710 --> 00:49:44,880
corresponding

1110
00:49:52,390 --> 00:49:48,720
it kind of uh with angelia joyner

1111
00:49:52,870 --> 00:49:52,400
who had was part she was the reporter

1112
00:49:55,430 --> 00:49:52,880
from

1113
00:49:56,710 --> 00:49:55,440
an incident that happened in texas now

1114
00:49:58,950 --> 00:49:56,720
all of a sudden i can't think of the

1115
00:50:00,230 --> 00:49:58,960
name of the incident but she had put up

1116
00:50:03,910 --> 00:50:00,240
a website

1117
00:50:05,910 --> 00:50:03,920
and uh somebody had contacted me or left

1118
00:50:08,470 --> 00:50:05,920
a message on my blog

1119
00:50:11,190 --> 00:50:08,480
and it it it pointed to the wrong

1120
00:50:13,589 --> 00:50:11,200
website that was a debunker website

1121
00:50:15,349 --> 00:50:13,599
and when i went into to find out where

1122
00:50:17,910 --> 00:50:15,359
this debunker

1123
00:50:19,030 --> 00:50:17,920
message had come from i found out it

1124
00:50:21,349 --> 00:50:19,040
came from

1125
00:50:23,109 --> 00:50:21,359
um i'm trying to think of the place in

1126
00:50:26,309 --> 00:50:23,119
virginia where the

1127
00:50:28,390 --> 00:50:26,319
cia is headquartered um

1128
00:50:30,230 --> 00:50:28,400
yeah it came from that community right

1129
00:50:32,870 --> 00:50:30,240
in that that town

1130
00:50:34,790 --> 00:50:32,880
and uh i said to uh dr mitchell because

1131
00:50:35,750 --> 00:50:34,800
i i got to have brunch with him and a

1132
00:50:37,990 --> 00:50:35,760
group of people

1133
00:50:39,270 --> 00:50:38,000
in manhattan and boy i was on i was on

1134
00:50:40,790 --> 00:50:39,280
cloud nine

1135
00:50:43,109 --> 00:50:40,800
but i said to him uh what are the

1136
00:50:44,630 --> 00:50:43,119
chances of all the places in all the

1137
00:50:48,549 --> 00:50:44,640
world that i might get

1138
00:50:50,950 --> 00:50:48,559
a a debunking um

1139
00:50:52,630 --> 00:50:50,960
message from uh what what are the

1140
00:50:55,030 --> 00:50:52,640
chances that it would come from

1141
00:50:55,750 --> 00:50:55,040
uh this small community in virginia

1142
00:50:58,230 --> 00:50:55,760
which also

1143
00:50:59,589 --> 00:50:58,240
is the home of uh the intelligence

1144
00:51:01,589 --> 00:50:59,599
services and he said

1145
00:51:03,190 --> 00:51:01,599
he just laughed and he said no they're

1146
00:51:04,870 --> 00:51:03,200
they're watching you they're watching

1147
00:51:05,910 --> 00:51:04,880
everybody a little bit you know you may

1148
00:51:08,390 --> 00:51:05,920
not be under

1149
00:51:08,950 --> 00:51:08,400
great scrutiny but they're aware of of

1150
00:51:12,630 --> 00:51:08,960
of your

1151
00:51:18,150 --> 00:51:12,640
absolutely

1152
00:51:18,710 --> 00:51:18,160
one of my witnesses i won't give the

1153
00:51:22,230 --> 00:51:18,720
name but

1154
00:51:25,829 --> 00:51:22,240
um she was able

1155
00:51:29,430 --> 00:51:25,839
to track down someone who was

1156
00:51:31,109 --> 00:51:29,440
monitoring her and went to a base in

1157
00:51:34,470 --> 00:51:31,119
california

1158
00:51:37,589 --> 00:51:34,480
that is a known cia

1159
00:51:39,670 --> 00:51:37,599
location i won't mention it but uh

1160
00:51:41,190 --> 00:51:39,680
same kind of thing uh she was able to

1161
00:51:44,710 --> 00:51:41,200
track that

1162
00:51:48,790 --> 00:51:44,720
uh so yeah that's further evidence that

1163
00:51:51,910 --> 00:51:48,800
there is indeed a ufo group

1164
00:51:56,549 --> 00:51:51,920
a special ufo group within the u.s

1165
00:51:59,430 --> 00:51:56,559
and worldwide that is monitoring um

1166
00:52:01,829 --> 00:51:59,440
all of us who are outspoken about this

1167
00:52:04,870 --> 00:52:01,839
subject

1168
00:52:07,430 --> 00:52:04,880
well um to sort of conclude this

1169
00:52:07,990 --> 00:52:07,440
part of of our discussion i wanted to

1170
00:52:10,470 --> 00:52:08,000
mention

1171
00:52:11,270 --> 00:52:10,480
something that has come up i've i've

1172
00:52:14,549 --> 00:52:11,280
heard

1173
00:52:17,750 --> 00:52:14,559
whitley strieber speak about this and

1174
00:52:18,150 --> 00:52:17,760
it has always been a fear in the back of

1175
00:52:21,190 --> 00:52:18,160
my

1176
00:52:23,430 --> 00:52:21,200
heart somewhere and he has

1177
00:52:25,109 --> 00:52:23,440
posited on occasion and you know he

1178
00:52:27,990 --> 00:52:25,119
changes his mind as he's

1179
00:52:29,270 --> 00:52:28,000
allowed to in in life but he's posited

1180
00:52:32,390 --> 00:52:29,280
at times that

1181
00:52:35,510 --> 00:52:32,400
the secret of ufos may be

1182
00:52:39,109 --> 00:52:35,520
so terrible so such an

1183
00:52:42,069 --> 00:52:39,119
awful uh truth

1184
00:52:44,069 --> 00:52:42,079
that um the government may be the

1185
00:52:44,710 --> 00:52:44,079
government not being one thing of course

1186
00:52:48,390 --> 00:52:44,720
but these

1187
00:52:51,430 --> 00:52:48,400
these um black ops situations that

1188
00:52:55,990 --> 00:52:51,440
keeping it secret because the truth is

1189
00:53:00,549 --> 00:52:58,870
oh uh well i don't subscribe to that

1190
00:53:02,069 --> 00:53:00,559
idea myself

1191
00:53:04,390 --> 00:53:02,079
you know whitley may have his own

1192
00:53:07,990 --> 00:53:04,400
reasons um

1193
00:53:11,910 --> 00:53:08,000
frankly if i had to summarize i think

1194
00:53:15,109 --> 00:53:11,920
e.t is on our side

1195
00:53:17,190 --> 00:53:15,119
he sees that we've got a lot of problems

1196
00:53:20,790 --> 00:53:17,200
here on earth

1197
00:53:23,990 --> 00:53:20,800
and not the least of which is

1198
00:53:24,790 --> 00:53:24,000
our propensity for war warfare and not

1199
00:53:28,549 --> 00:53:24,800
getting along

1200
00:53:32,470 --> 00:53:28,559
and and we've come to a crisis point

1201
00:53:35,589 --> 00:53:32,480
many crisis points are are getting close

1202
00:53:37,829 --> 00:53:35,599
oh yes you know one nuclear weapons is

1203
00:53:40,549 --> 00:53:37,839
one

1204
00:53:41,510 --> 00:53:40,559
i don't know if you saw my my post on

1205
00:53:45,430 --> 00:53:41,520
facebook

1206
00:53:48,390 --> 00:53:45,440
recently but recently the

1207
00:53:49,190 --> 00:53:48,400
i believe it's the pakistani military

1208
00:53:52,230 --> 00:53:49,200
yes

1209
00:53:54,230 --> 00:53:52,240
has threatened the indian military with

1210
00:53:57,349 --> 00:53:54,240
the use of nuclear weapons they took

1211
00:54:00,309 --> 00:53:57,359
some uh jets out today

1212
00:54:00,790 --> 00:54:00,319
i read about that on on on the internet

1213
00:54:03,910 --> 00:54:00,800
they

1214
00:54:05,990 --> 00:54:03,920
took out there was a fighter jet fights

1215
00:54:06,870 --> 00:54:06,000
between the indians and the pakistanis

1216
00:54:09,589 --> 00:54:06,880
and

1217
00:54:10,150 --> 00:54:09,599
they're all up to no good uh that's for

1218
00:54:11,910 --> 00:54:10,160
sure

1219
00:54:13,430 --> 00:54:11,920
and there's also an incredible

1220
00:54:16,710 --> 00:54:13,440
environmental crisis

1221
00:54:19,030 --> 00:54:16,720
uh going on right now which uh barring

1222
00:54:22,309 --> 00:54:19,040
nuclear weapons being used that could

1223
00:54:26,150 --> 00:54:22,319
easily uh kill us quite shortly and

1224
00:54:28,870 --> 00:54:26,160
the retired uh nuclear facilities

1225
00:54:30,150 --> 00:54:28,880
uh can also if they're not properly

1226
00:54:32,549 --> 00:54:30,160
stored i guess

1227
00:54:34,150 --> 00:54:32,559
uh if we don't do anything at all they

1228
00:54:35,510 --> 00:54:34,160
can kind of melt down and ruin

1229
00:54:37,750 --> 00:54:35,520
everything too so

1230
00:54:39,510 --> 00:54:37,760
and we're in we're in a deep pickle

1231
00:54:40,230 --> 00:54:39,520
robert i think we're in a very deep

1232
00:54:43,270 --> 00:54:40,240
pickle

1233
00:54:45,430 --> 00:54:43,280
yes we are so i think

1234
00:54:48,789 --> 00:54:45,440
they want us to really start working

1235
00:54:52,069 --> 00:54:48,799
together to solve these problems and uh

1236
00:54:54,870 --> 00:54:52,079
and therefore uh um

1237
00:54:55,990 --> 00:54:54,880
like i said i i think they're they're

1238
00:54:59,270 --> 00:54:56,000
rooting us

1239
00:55:01,270 --> 00:54:59,280
rooting for us to survive and

1240
00:55:02,390 --> 00:55:01,280
i don't know it's still a question mark

1241
00:55:05,109 --> 00:55:02,400
isn't it i

1242
00:55:08,230 --> 00:55:05,119
i think it is a big question mark to me

1243
00:55:12,950 --> 00:55:11,910
moving moving towards one final thing

1244
00:55:15,750 --> 00:55:12,960
about your book

1245
00:55:16,789 --> 00:55:15,760
unidentified the ufo phenomena how world

1246
00:55:19,109 --> 00:55:16,799
governments have

1247
00:55:20,069 --> 00:55:19,119
conspired to conceal humanity's biggest

1248
00:55:23,270 --> 00:55:20,079
secret

1249
00:55:25,109 --> 00:55:23,280
um just i wanted you to say at

1250
00:55:26,870 --> 00:55:25,119
towards the end there are really some

1251
00:55:28,870 --> 00:55:26,880
interesting um

1252
00:55:30,870 --> 00:55:28,880
notes about different sightings and some

1253
00:55:34,390 --> 00:55:30,880
of which i hadn't heard about

1254
00:55:35,109 --> 00:55:34,400
and would you like to to to uh tell us

1255
00:55:38,309 --> 00:55:35,119
one of

1256
00:55:41,030 --> 00:55:38,319
these uh incidents that you um have

1257
00:55:42,710 --> 00:55:41,040
included in in the second half of your

1258
00:55:45,589 --> 00:55:42,720
book

1259
00:55:46,549 --> 00:55:45,599
oh sure well uh one that just kind of

1260
00:55:47,829 --> 00:55:46,559
jumps out to me

1261
00:55:50,630 --> 00:55:47,839
is the one that happened in the

1262
00:55:53,910 --> 00:55:50,640
netherlands in 1979

1263
00:55:55,990 --> 00:55:53,920
uh this lady her name is josie

1264
00:55:58,870 --> 00:55:56,000
zwinnenberg she was

1265
00:55:59,670 --> 00:55:58,880
a young girl at the time riding her

1266
00:56:03,829 --> 00:55:59,680
horse uh

1267
00:56:07,910 --> 00:56:03,839
in in this area near uh schusterberg

1268
00:56:08,789 --> 00:56:07,920
the netherlands uh and uh she comes

1269
00:56:11,910 --> 00:56:08,799
across this

1270
00:56:13,270 --> 00:56:11,920
very large ufo multi-colored uh just

1271
00:56:17,349 --> 00:56:13,280
hovering

1272
00:56:22,710 --> 00:56:17,359
uh on this side of the schoesterberg

1273
00:56:26,309 --> 00:56:22,720
base and schusterberg base had uh

1274
00:56:29,349 --> 00:56:26,319
had f-15s at the time f-15s

1275
00:56:31,829 --> 00:56:29,359
uh the later models

1276
00:56:34,230 --> 00:56:31,839
were able to carry uh small nuclear

1277
00:56:38,150 --> 00:56:34,240
weapons so

1278
00:56:41,589 --> 00:56:38,160
excuse me so it uh it was a nuclear

1279
00:56:46,549 --> 00:56:41,599
base it was a nuclear nato base um

1280
00:56:51,910 --> 00:56:49,990
josie talked about writing underneath

1281
00:56:57,109 --> 00:56:51,920
this

1282
00:56:58,309 --> 00:56:57,119
ufo and also encountering a witness

1283
00:57:00,950 --> 00:56:58,319
there

1284
00:57:02,309 --> 00:57:00,960
who later came forward to her and told

1285
00:57:05,589 --> 00:57:02,319
her that

1286
00:57:08,630 --> 00:57:05,599
yes he too saw it

1287
00:57:10,390 --> 00:57:08,640
but anyway the uh later on we were able

1288
00:57:13,589 --> 00:57:10,400
to get

1289
00:57:16,710 --> 00:57:13,599
because this ufo the next day

1290
00:57:19,190 --> 00:57:16,720
uh actually flew down the flight line

1291
00:57:21,589 --> 00:57:19,200
of the schoesterberg air base the this

1292
00:57:25,030 --> 00:57:21,599
was an air base it was in a

1293
00:57:27,510 --> 00:57:25,040
called camp um amsterdam

1294
00:57:28,549 --> 00:57:27,520
uh camp newman or camp amsterdam i guess

1295
00:57:32,950 --> 00:57:28,559
it was

1296
00:57:36,390 --> 00:57:32,960
released

1297
00:57:37,510 --> 00:57:36,400
from the uh the netherlands uh as a nato

1298
00:57:40,150 --> 00:57:37,520
base

1299
00:57:41,430 --> 00:57:40,160
and but it this ufo flew down the flight

1300
00:57:44,549 --> 00:57:41,440
line and

1301
00:57:45,270 --> 00:57:44,559
at least a dozen witnesses saw this and

1302
00:57:49,270 --> 00:57:45,280
this has been

1303
00:57:53,670 --> 00:57:49,280
very well documented and so

1304
00:57:56,390 --> 00:57:53,680
josie's story was fully supported

1305
00:57:58,150 --> 00:57:56,400
by these other 12 witnesses uh so it is

1306
00:57:59,510 --> 00:57:58,160
a very significant case that

1307
00:58:01,589 --> 00:57:59,520
a lot of people haven't heard a lot

1308
00:58:05,349 --> 00:58:01,599
about but again

1309
00:58:09,829 --> 00:58:05,359
it it's reflective of the i think a list

1310
00:58:13,510 --> 00:58:09,839
14 other cases where ufos flew over

1311
00:58:17,510 --> 00:58:13,520
or were involved with nuclear weapons

1312
00:58:18,950 --> 00:58:17,520
bases uh in the world and i list about

1313
00:58:22,309 --> 00:58:18,960
14 of them

1314
00:58:25,589 --> 00:58:22,319
and and so this is a very real thing

1315
00:58:27,270 --> 00:58:25,599
that the ufos are at least bringing

1316
00:58:29,990 --> 00:58:27,280
attention to the new

1317
00:58:30,470 --> 00:58:30,000
nuclear weapons issue that that is that

1318
00:58:34,309 --> 00:58:30,480
is

1319
00:58:36,789 --> 00:58:34,319
very interesting and it prompts me to

1320
00:58:40,150 --> 00:58:36,799
ask you a question uh because

1321
00:58:43,910 --> 00:58:40,160
uh my initial sighting

1322
00:58:47,510 --> 00:58:43,920
of a ufo was

1323
00:58:50,950 --> 00:58:47,520
within um like a long

1324
00:58:55,270 --> 00:58:50,960
walk i would say a you know an eight

1325
00:58:58,789 --> 00:58:55,280
eight ten mile walk to a

1326
00:59:01,990 --> 00:58:58,799
base uh a a an army base

1327
00:59:05,829 --> 00:59:02,000
uh in new jersey um i

1328
00:59:08,470 --> 00:59:05,839
when i was in my just barely pre-teen

1329
00:59:10,390 --> 00:59:08,480
years uh i mean i might have been 11 or

1330
00:59:14,150 --> 00:59:10,400
12 at the time

1331
00:59:17,190 --> 00:59:14,160
i was with a group of people who

1332
00:59:17,750 --> 00:59:17,200
who had stopped on a bridge and they

1333
00:59:20,549 --> 00:59:17,760
were

1334
00:59:22,069 --> 00:59:20,559
watching a ufo and i had gone to the

1335
00:59:25,670 --> 00:59:22,079
drive-in movies

1336
00:59:27,589 --> 00:59:25,680
with um the parents of a little boy

1337
00:59:28,789 --> 00:59:27,599
and a little boy in my neighborhood

1338
00:59:31,829 --> 00:59:28,799
there uh

1339
00:59:33,109 --> 00:59:31,839
where i was staying for the summer and

1340
00:59:36,789 --> 00:59:33,119
um

1341
00:59:39,510 --> 00:59:36,799
they were watching these what

1342
00:59:42,470 --> 00:59:39,520
were essentially lights in the sky but

1343
00:59:45,349 --> 00:59:42,480
they were behaving very very strangely

1344
00:59:45,990 --> 00:59:45,359
and there was a large light and there

1345
00:59:48,549 --> 00:59:46,000
were two

1346
00:59:51,190 --> 00:59:48,559
side lights one coming and going out the

1347
00:59:53,190 --> 00:59:51,200
side and one which was stationary

1348
00:59:54,470 --> 00:59:53,200
and this was going on when we stopped

1349
00:59:59,270 --> 00:59:54,480
and there were over

1350
01:00:02,630 --> 00:59:59,280
20 people watching this including

1351
01:00:04,789 --> 01:00:02,640
a squad car with uh uh two policemen in

1352
01:00:07,349 --> 01:00:04,799
it that were trying to keep the people

1353
01:00:08,069 --> 01:00:07,359
sort of uh from freaking out a little

1354
01:00:11,510 --> 01:00:08,079
bit

1355
01:00:13,510 --> 01:00:11,520
and so finally after watching it for

1356
01:00:15,510 --> 01:00:13,520
another five minutes or so both of the

1357
01:00:18,950 --> 01:00:15,520
lights went into the main light

1358
01:00:22,150 --> 01:00:18,960
and uh it it went off you know

1359
01:00:24,870 --> 01:00:22,160
really fast uh i i think i saw it

1360
01:00:25,430 --> 01:00:24,880
actually travel off but it would if you

1361
01:00:29,589 --> 01:00:25,440
would have

1362
01:00:32,470 --> 01:00:29,599
thought it disappeared now this was

1363
01:00:33,589 --> 01:00:32,480
uh near the picatinny arsenal now i

1364
01:00:35,829 --> 01:00:33,599
don't know

1365
01:00:37,829 --> 01:00:35,839
and i don't have any clue as to whether

1366
01:00:40,150 --> 01:00:37,839
the picatinny arsenal ever housed

1367
01:00:41,589 --> 01:00:40,160
any nuclear weapons or whether it does

1368
01:00:44,630 --> 01:00:41,599
today or not

1369
01:00:45,589 --> 01:00:44,640
but a number of things sightings that i

1370
01:00:48,950 --> 01:00:45,599
saw

1371
01:00:52,789 --> 01:00:48,960
uh were not so far away from there and

1372
01:00:55,670 --> 01:00:52,799
um so that that makes me wonder

1373
01:00:55,990 --> 01:00:55,680
whether it's all of a piece as far as

1374
01:01:00,549 --> 01:00:56,000
that

1375
01:01:04,069 --> 01:01:00,559
second

1376
01:01:07,589 --> 01:01:04,079
um i what what is

1377
01:01:10,829 --> 01:01:07,599
curious to me is that

1378
01:01:14,950 --> 01:01:10,839
people see different things in their

1379
01:01:18,549 --> 01:01:14,960
experiences with the others and

1380
01:01:23,349 --> 01:01:18,559
for my for myself i have seen

1381
01:01:26,870 --> 01:01:23,359
like mostly one particular

1382
01:01:31,109 --> 01:01:26,880
type of alien i have never

1383
01:01:34,710 --> 01:01:31,119
been regressed by hypnosis

1384
01:01:38,630 --> 01:01:34,720
but mostly i have seen what people call

1385
01:01:42,390 --> 01:01:38,640
the the tall nordic type of

1386
01:01:45,750 --> 01:01:42,400
of alien now that being said

1387
01:01:47,990 --> 01:01:45,760
i i did once see something else but uh

1388
01:01:51,109 --> 01:01:48,000
beyond going through what all of that is

1389
01:01:51,510 --> 01:01:51,119
and i i don't want to burden your time

1390
01:01:54,549 --> 01:01:51,520
or

1391
01:01:57,990 --> 01:01:54,559
thing but i

1392
01:01:58,630 --> 01:01:58,000
wonder how much what we see is what is

1393
01:02:01,750 --> 01:01:58,640
really

1394
01:02:04,069 --> 01:02:01,760
there versus what

1395
01:02:05,510 --> 01:02:04,079
what program has been thrown up to our

1396
01:02:08,150 --> 01:02:05,520
mind

1397
01:02:08,710 --> 01:02:08,160
do you know what i'm right yes there are

1398
01:02:11,510 --> 01:02:08,720
many

1399
01:02:13,349 --> 01:02:11,520
stories of uh encounters with

1400
01:02:16,789 --> 01:02:13,359
extraterrestrials where

1401
01:02:20,870 --> 01:02:16,799
uh they seem to remember seeing

1402
01:02:23,190 --> 01:02:20,880
um maybe an owl or a

1403
01:02:24,150 --> 01:02:23,200
or some other kind of an animal that

1404
01:02:27,270 --> 01:02:24,160
later

1405
01:02:29,510 --> 01:02:27,280
spoke to them or or invited them

1406
01:02:30,950 --> 01:02:29,520
to come with them and things like that

1407
01:02:33,910 --> 01:02:30,960
so yeah that's

1408
01:02:35,109 --> 01:02:33,920
i think they do do that and try in an

1409
01:02:37,270 --> 01:02:35,119
attempt to try to

1410
01:02:39,029 --> 01:02:37,280
keep you from getting too frightened

1411
01:02:43,270 --> 01:02:39,039
about what they actually

1412
01:02:46,950 --> 01:02:43,280
look like uh so

1413
01:02:51,349 --> 01:02:46,960
yes that that is uh fairly common

1414
01:02:54,390 --> 01:02:51,359
so do you think that these phenomena

1415
01:02:57,109 --> 01:02:54,400
which range from people seeing

1416
01:02:58,549 --> 01:02:57,119
talking animals quite quite honestly and

1417
01:03:00,470 --> 01:02:58,559
i don't mean that in any

1418
01:03:02,390 --> 01:03:00,480
way to disparage anybody who's seen a

1419
01:03:05,190 --> 01:03:02,400
talking animal or

1420
01:03:06,470 --> 01:03:05,200
people such as myself and i guess

1421
01:03:09,589 --> 01:03:06,480
ingoswan

1422
01:03:12,789 --> 01:03:09,599
who saw tall

1423
01:03:14,230 --> 01:03:12,799
blonde nordic types to people who've

1424
01:03:17,589 --> 01:03:14,240
seen grays or

1425
01:03:20,069 --> 01:03:17,599
hooded types or a variety of other types

1426
01:03:21,029 --> 01:03:20,079
do you think it's all of a piece is it

1427
01:03:24,390 --> 01:03:21,039
all one

1428
01:03:28,390 --> 01:03:24,400
experience that um that is seen

1429
01:03:30,789 --> 01:03:28,400
differently by the by the experiencers

1430
01:03:33,190 --> 01:03:30,799
or is it different things i think

1431
01:03:35,349 --> 01:03:33,200
there's enough evidence to show that

1432
01:03:36,870 --> 01:03:35,359
there are many different types of

1433
01:03:39,990 --> 01:03:36,880
extraterrestrial beings

1434
01:03:42,309 --> 01:03:40,000
and one of those types of very it's very

1435
01:03:47,270 --> 01:03:42,319
common to i've seen a nordic

1436
01:03:52,870 --> 01:03:50,950
so you know these this is a mystery this

1437
01:03:53,750 --> 01:03:52,880
is one of the big mysteries of the whole

1438
01:03:57,190 --> 01:03:53,760
phenomenon

1439
01:03:59,510 --> 01:03:57,200
is how many of these

1440
01:04:00,230 --> 01:03:59,520
different kinds of creatures are there

1441
01:04:02,390 --> 01:04:00,240
and

1442
01:04:03,589 --> 01:04:02,400
are they all coming from the same place

1443
01:04:06,870 --> 01:04:03,599
different places

1444
01:04:09,990 --> 01:04:06,880
do they have different agendas

1445
01:04:13,990 --> 01:04:10,000
etc so this is all still in the

1446
01:04:15,430 --> 01:04:14,000
very mysterious area at this point i

1447
01:04:17,750 --> 01:04:15,440
want to bring up

1448
01:04:19,029 --> 01:04:17,760
what you've been engaged with just

1449
01:04:22,549 --> 01:04:19,039
recently

1450
01:04:23,109 --> 01:04:22,559
um and that is uh a a trip that you made

1451
01:04:26,950 --> 01:04:23,119
to

1452
01:04:30,309 --> 01:04:26,960
south america with uh

1453
01:04:33,910 --> 01:04:30,319
mr will gallison yes

1454
01:04:36,870 --> 01:04:33,920
yes absolutely uh will

1455
01:04:39,109 --> 01:04:36,880
uh contacted me first about coming to

1456
01:04:41,270 --> 01:04:39,119
peru with him uh

1457
01:04:42,630 --> 01:04:41,280
and uh at first i turned him down

1458
01:04:43,750 --> 01:04:42,640
because i didn't want to be involved in

1459
01:04:48,150 --> 01:04:43,760
another hoax

1460
01:04:51,430 --> 01:04:48,160
about these um so-called

1461
01:04:54,150 --> 01:04:51,440
little uh creatures that they found

1462
01:04:54,950 --> 01:04:54,160
that that might have been hoaxed because

1463
01:04:59,829 --> 01:04:54,960
there have been

1464
01:05:03,029 --> 01:04:59,839
cases as you well know of other hoaxes

1465
01:05:06,470 --> 01:05:03,039
so i was very skeptical

1466
01:05:09,349 --> 01:05:06,480
and then i looked into it further and

1467
01:05:10,150 --> 01:05:09,359
what got me interested very interested

1468
01:05:14,069 --> 01:05:10,160
was

1469
01:05:17,270 --> 01:05:14,079
seeing these loose hands and the long

1470
01:05:18,870 --> 01:05:17,280
bony fingers because when i looked at

1471
01:05:21,990 --> 01:05:18,880
those

1472
01:05:24,870 --> 01:05:22,000
it brought back the memory of what i

1473
01:05:27,589 --> 01:05:24,880
saw during my experience and that was

1474
01:05:30,390 --> 01:05:27,599
these long bony fingers

1475
01:05:33,510 --> 01:05:30,400
holding the ends of this needle as they

1476
01:05:35,510 --> 01:05:33,520
he placed right in front of my eyes

1477
01:05:37,589 --> 01:05:35,520
that was one thing the other thing was

1478
01:05:41,270 --> 01:05:37,599
the size of these

1479
01:05:44,630 --> 01:05:41,280
beings these mummies was small

1480
01:05:47,829 --> 01:05:44,640
and childlike they they looked

1481
01:05:50,870 --> 01:05:47,839
then again they reminded me of the

1482
01:05:53,430 --> 01:05:50,880
types of small creatures that i had been

1483
01:05:55,109 --> 01:05:53,440
involved with in my experience so i

1484
01:05:57,910 --> 01:05:55,119
decided

1485
01:05:58,950 --> 01:05:57,920
to on my own dime like i mentioned i

1486
01:06:01,270 --> 01:05:58,960
have not been paid

1487
01:06:02,870 --> 01:06:01,280
anything to go down there or to talk

1488
01:06:04,710 --> 01:06:02,880
about this

1489
01:06:07,349 --> 01:06:04,720
but on my own time i went down there

1490
01:06:11,109 --> 01:06:07,359
with with will and um

1491
01:06:14,309 --> 01:06:11,119
and we were uh uh

1492
01:06:15,430 --> 01:06:14,319
lucky enough to uh get invited to uh

1493
01:06:17,510 --> 01:06:15,440
attend the

1494
01:06:18,630 --> 01:06:17,520
the talk by the specialists there were

1495
01:06:20,470 --> 01:06:18,640
about

1496
01:06:23,270 --> 01:06:20,480
i don't know half a dozen specialists

1497
01:06:23,829 --> 01:06:23,280
and i've got that on my facebook page

1498
01:06:26,309 --> 01:06:23,839
what the

1499
01:06:28,470 --> 01:06:26,319
the discussion was about on each of

1500
01:06:31,829 --> 01:06:28,480
their areas and they talked about the

1501
01:06:32,549 --> 01:06:31,839
anatomy of course and the dna results

1502
01:06:36,470 --> 01:06:32,559
and

1503
01:06:39,990 --> 01:06:36,480
the the dating carbon dating of the

1504
01:06:44,150 --> 01:06:40,000
beings and they had very

1505
01:06:47,589 --> 01:06:44,160
distinct and amazing

1506
01:06:50,630 --> 01:06:47,599
ct scans and x-rays and

1507
01:06:53,190 --> 01:06:50,640
they had a lot of evidence

1508
01:06:55,270 --> 01:06:53,200
presented by some very credible

1509
01:06:58,630 --> 01:06:55,280
specialists these were doctors

1510
01:07:01,910 --> 01:06:58,640
and and specialists in their

1511
01:07:03,430 --> 01:07:01,920
area and and they had written dna

1512
01:07:05,990 --> 01:07:03,440
results from

1513
01:07:07,270 --> 01:07:06,000
respected laboratories and then of

1514
01:07:10,549 --> 01:07:07,280
course will and i were

1515
01:07:13,029 --> 01:07:10,559
lucky enough to be able to actually

1516
01:07:13,990 --> 01:07:13,039
uh inspect and hold the mummies

1517
01:07:17,910 --> 01:07:14,000
themselves

1518
01:07:22,950 --> 01:07:17,920
wow and i can tell you um

1519
01:07:26,069 --> 01:07:22,960
i'm convinced these were real once real

1520
01:07:27,589 --> 01:07:26,079
living creatures uh with three fingers

1521
01:07:31,910 --> 01:07:27,599
three toes

1522
01:07:34,470 --> 01:07:31,920
elongated heads and a lot of people

1523
01:07:38,390 --> 01:07:34,480
don't realize that these skulls

1524
01:07:41,990 --> 01:07:38,400
for their size or the size of the being

1525
01:07:45,829 --> 01:07:42,000
are like 20 percent larger than

1526
01:07:49,990 --> 01:07:45,839
our skulls so

1527
01:07:52,470 --> 01:07:50,000
they um like i said it was incredible

1528
01:07:53,910 --> 01:07:52,480
and those long bony fingers are exactly

1529
01:07:56,309 --> 01:07:53,920
what i remember seeing

1530
01:07:58,950 --> 01:07:56,319
in my experience well i am really

1531
01:08:02,150 --> 01:07:58,960
looking forward to finding out more

1532
01:08:03,589 --> 01:08:02,160
about these uh south american findings

1533
01:08:08,470 --> 01:08:03,599
now this was in

1534
01:08:12,069 --> 01:08:08,480
peru am i correct yes they were found

1535
01:08:15,430 --> 01:08:12,079
in the uh an area of the

1536
01:08:18,789 --> 01:08:15,440
nazca area of peru

1537
01:08:22,149 --> 01:08:18,799
which is where the um the symbolic

1538
01:08:22,470 --> 01:08:22,159
large symbol symbols uh were were drawn

1539
01:08:25,510 --> 01:08:22,480
in

1540
01:08:28,789 --> 01:08:25,520
the

1541
01:08:31,349 --> 01:08:28,799
those

1542
01:08:32,470 --> 01:08:31,359
yes and that this is from um a

1543
01:08:35,189 --> 01:08:32,480
pre-columbian

1544
01:08:36,149 --> 01:08:35,199
time that the uh that the nazca lines

1545
01:08:38,709 --> 01:08:36,159
were drawn

1546
01:08:39,189 --> 01:08:38,719
and could only be seen from above so

1547
01:08:42,390 --> 01:08:39,199
that

1548
01:08:45,590 --> 01:08:42,400
how they were actually accomplished is

1549
01:08:46,390 --> 01:08:45,600
um a matter of scientific debate shall

1550
01:08:48,390 --> 01:08:46,400
we say

1551
01:08:49,829 --> 01:08:48,400
the one thing i will say that is quite

1552
01:08:52,390 --> 01:08:49,839
unfortunate that has

1553
01:08:53,749 --> 01:08:52,400
occurred prior to this regarding uh

1554
01:08:56,470 --> 01:08:53,759
these discoveries

1555
01:08:59,030 --> 01:08:56,480
is the whole debacle with uh jaime

1556
01:09:01,669 --> 01:08:59,040
mauson in mexico and

1557
01:09:02,070 --> 01:09:01,679
that whole thing so this is going to be

1558
01:09:07,430 --> 01:09:02,080
a

1559
01:09:09,590 --> 01:09:07,440
it don't get me wrong but do you

1560
01:09:11,590 --> 01:09:09,600
understand where i'm going with this

1561
01:09:13,269 --> 01:09:11,600
uh let me just say that this is the kind

1562
01:09:16,229 --> 01:09:13,279
of thing that

1563
01:09:18,630 --> 01:09:16,239
uh it's being opened up now to other

1564
01:09:19,269 --> 01:09:18,640
investigators so we we've had one group

1565
01:09:22,390 --> 01:09:19,279
of

1566
01:09:24,630 --> 01:09:22,400
serious investigators look at i think

1567
01:09:25,990 --> 01:09:24,640
their plans are to open it up to one of

1568
01:09:29,590 --> 01:09:26,000
the universities in

1569
01:09:32,709 --> 01:09:29,600
in peru there to do their evaluation

1570
01:09:34,789 --> 01:09:32,719
uh this is a science i think the public

1571
01:09:38,309 --> 01:09:34,799
ought to look at this as a scientific

1572
01:09:38,630 --> 01:09:38,319
um investigation in other words they're

1573
01:09:40,709 --> 01:09:38,640
not

1574
01:09:42,149 --> 01:09:40,719
nobody's trying to sell anything to

1575
01:09:43,669 --> 01:09:42,159
anybody exactly

1576
01:09:45,749 --> 01:09:43,679
nobody's trying to make money off of

1577
01:09:48,630 --> 01:09:45,759
this as far as i know

1578
01:09:49,910 --> 01:09:48,640
uh so it'll speak for itself the science

1579
01:09:51,510 --> 01:09:49,920
will speak for itself

1580
01:09:53,749 --> 01:09:51,520
as to whether or not these are real or

1581
01:09:55,189 --> 01:09:53,759
not and i apologize for the use of the

1582
01:09:58,709 --> 01:09:55,199
word cell i didn't mean

1583
01:10:01,990 --> 01:09:58,719
it in that way but um

1584
01:10:04,790 --> 01:10:02,000
i think that having looked at it to some

1585
01:10:05,990 --> 01:10:04,800
extent the the people some of the people

1586
01:10:09,510 --> 01:10:06,000
that are involved like the

1587
01:10:12,709 --> 01:10:09,520
the french archaeologists who came there

1588
01:10:13,510 --> 01:10:12,719
it's it's just such a shame that as a

1589
01:10:16,790 --> 01:10:13,520
country we

1590
01:10:19,270 --> 01:10:16,800
are not more multilingual that we are

1591
01:10:20,149 --> 01:10:19,280
not more open to what goes on in other

1592
01:10:23,110 --> 01:10:20,159
places

1593
01:10:25,669 --> 01:10:23,120
that you know we're a little bit too

1594
01:10:27,350 --> 01:10:25,679
self-involved in that regard and and the

1595
01:10:30,709 --> 01:10:27,360
ufo community

1596
01:10:33,910 --> 01:10:30,719
is is no exception to that well

1597
01:10:35,990 --> 01:10:33,920
i i just want to thank you so much for

1598
01:10:39,030 --> 01:10:36,000
your participation today

1599
01:10:40,070 --> 01:10:39,040
in our shattered reality podcast and i

1600
01:10:42,470 --> 01:10:40,080
hope you'll keep us

1601
01:10:44,310 --> 01:10:42,480
in mind and let us know when you have

1602
01:10:46,870 --> 01:10:44,320
another book or you've made

1603
01:10:48,390 --> 01:10:46,880
some further discoveries regarding uh

1604
01:10:51,430 --> 01:10:48,400
the south american

1605
01:10:51,990 --> 01:10:51,440
issue the these these uh mummies if you

1606
01:10:55,189 --> 01:10:52,000
will

1607
01:10:58,390 --> 01:10:55,199
i'm very very interested in finding out

1608
01:11:02,470 --> 01:10:58,400
uh much more about that and

1609
01:11:04,790 --> 01:11:02,480
i know that up until almost historical

1610
01:11:06,950 --> 01:11:04,800
times or maybe into historical times

1611
01:11:10,229 --> 01:11:06,960
there's a lot of argument about that

1612
01:11:13,510 --> 01:11:10,239
that there were another

1613
01:11:17,189 --> 01:11:13,520
species living side by side

1614
01:11:21,990 --> 01:11:17,199
with modern more or less modern humans

1615
01:11:25,110 --> 01:11:22,000
um in the south pacific like in uh

1616
01:11:28,149 --> 01:11:25,120
in the jungles of of

1617
01:11:28,790 --> 01:11:28,159
indonesia and other places where they

1618
01:11:31,830 --> 01:11:28,800
had

1619
01:11:34,070 --> 01:11:31,840
these like tiny hobbit people are you

1620
01:11:36,709 --> 01:11:34,080
aware of those two

1621
01:11:37,750 --> 01:11:36,719
well yeah so you may be talking about

1622
01:11:43,110 --> 01:11:37,760
java man

1623
01:11:45,430 --> 01:11:43,120
indonesia i don't know if i'm talking

1624
01:11:48,470 --> 01:11:45,440
about java man or not these are

1625
01:11:51,510 --> 01:11:48,480
like miniature people or

1626
01:11:54,790 --> 01:11:51,520
purportedly people that there are

1627
01:11:58,870 --> 01:11:54,800
some uh remnants of and

1628
01:12:01,990 --> 01:11:58,880
there's some evidence or suggestion

1629
01:12:05,669 --> 01:12:02,000
that they may not have died out

1630
01:12:09,110 --> 01:12:05,679
quite as early as initially

1631
01:12:12,790 --> 01:12:09,120
supposed and i think in my notes

1632
01:12:13,910 --> 01:12:12,800
for this uh broadcast that we're making

1633
01:12:16,310 --> 01:12:13,920
now i will

1634
01:12:17,830 --> 01:12:16,320
kind of put in something in in the

1635
01:12:20,390 --> 01:12:17,840
written notes as to

1636
01:12:21,030 --> 01:12:20,400
what exactly i'm talking about to a

1637
01:12:24,310 --> 01:12:21,040
better

1638
01:12:28,390 --> 01:12:24,320
everybody will

1639
01:12:30,790 --> 01:12:28,400
will know yes yes i will add to that

1640
01:12:31,990 --> 01:12:30,800
i you know i i hear what you're saying

1641
01:12:35,189 --> 01:12:32,000
and uh

1642
01:12:36,709 --> 01:12:35,199
i i will add to that that in the jungles

1643
01:12:41,910 --> 01:12:36,719
of suriname

1644
01:12:46,870 --> 01:12:45,030
there are reports that there are native

1645
01:12:51,110 --> 01:12:46,880
tribes

1646
01:12:54,630 --> 01:12:51,120
that refuse to meet with um

1647
01:12:58,229 --> 01:12:54,640
uh humans uh but and

1648
01:13:01,910 --> 01:12:58,239
and they have their culture is unknown

1649
01:13:05,350 --> 01:13:01,920
it's undefined but there are tribes

1650
01:13:06,390 --> 01:13:05,360
that are just undiscovered let's put it

1651
01:13:09,350 --> 01:13:06,400
that way

1652
01:13:10,470 --> 01:13:09,360
i've never really been discovered by

1653
01:13:13,110 --> 01:13:10,480
modern

1654
01:13:14,630 --> 01:13:13,120
society that's impressive it's

1655
01:13:17,750 --> 01:13:14,640
impressive to elude

1656
01:13:19,150 --> 01:13:17,760
discovery in today's world and i

1657
01:13:20,790 --> 01:13:19,160
salute them as well

1658
01:13:23,990 --> 01:13:20,800
[Laughter]

1659
01:13:28,229 --> 01:13:24,000
they may have the best idea of all right

1660
01:13:29,750 --> 01:13:28,239
in any case retired air force captain

1661
01:13:31,990 --> 01:13:29,760
robert salas

1662
01:13:33,750 --> 01:13:32,000
thank you so much for being our guest

1663
01:13:36,630 --> 01:13:33,760
we're very very honored

1664
01:13:37,030 --> 01:13:36,640
to have you on and to speak your truth

1665
01:13:40,390 --> 01:13:37,040
here

1666
01:13:41,830 --> 01:13:40,400
and i am sure everybody who listens will

1667
01:13:44,229 --> 01:13:41,840
be

1668
01:13:46,630 --> 01:13:44,239
very very happy to have listened and

1669
01:13:50,790 --> 01:13:46,640
would you please mention your two books

1670
01:13:53,430 --> 01:13:50,800
and uh before you go thank you ferisha

1671
01:13:56,310 --> 01:13:53,440
for uh inviting me and i've thoroughly

1672
01:14:01,270 --> 01:13:56,320
enjoyed it you know my two books are

1673
01:14:05,669 --> 01:14:01,280
faded giant uh written in 2005 and also

1674
01:14:09,030 --> 01:14:05,679
unidentified the ufo phenomenon

1675
01:14:12,870 --> 01:14:09,040
and that was written in 2013 i believe

1676
01:14:15,990 --> 01:14:12,880
both of them you can find on amazon.com

1677
01:14:19,510 --> 01:14:16,000
okay thanks so much and uh

1678
01:14:23,110 --> 01:14:19,520
bye now from shattered reality

1679
01:14:27,350 --> 01:14:23,120
bye so that was an amazing

1680
01:14:31,270 --> 01:14:27,360
amazing um uh truth telling

1681
01:14:33,030 --> 01:14:31,280
very amazing accounts by retired air

1682
01:14:36,790 --> 01:14:33,040
force captain robert salas

1683
01:14:39,189 --> 01:14:36,800
and i'm so happy that he agreed to be

1684
01:14:41,030 --> 01:14:39,199
a guest on shattered reality podcast i

1685
01:14:43,990 --> 01:14:41,040
do have

1686
01:14:46,149 --> 01:14:44,000
a couple of um it's i'm almost

1687
01:14:48,870 --> 01:14:46,159
embarrassed to read these letters

1688
01:14:50,950 --> 01:14:48,880
to you uh listeners that people have

1689
01:14:54,229 --> 01:14:50,960
written to me

1690
01:14:56,390 --> 01:14:54,239
a gentleman named rich has been

1691
01:14:57,750 --> 01:14:56,400
listening to the podcast for a while and

1692
01:15:00,310 --> 01:14:57,760
he

1693
01:15:02,950 --> 01:15:00,320
was kind enough to point out a mistake

1694
01:15:05,030 --> 01:15:02,960
that i made

1695
01:15:07,189 --> 01:15:05,040
in terms of putting the podcasts up and

1696
01:15:09,350 --> 01:15:07,199
i was able to correct it

1697
01:15:10,870 --> 01:15:09,360
and i appreciate him so much for that

1698
01:15:14,470 --> 01:15:10,880
but he wrote me this

1699
01:15:15,910 --> 01:15:14,480
really glowing

1700
01:15:18,070 --> 01:15:15,920
letter which i'm going to read to you

1701
01:15:19,830 --> 01:15:18,080
now just to let you know

1702
01:15:21,110 --> 01:15:19,840
i've been enjoying listening to your

1703
01:15:23,510 --> 01:15:21,120
podcast

1704
01:15:24,149 --> 01:15:23,520
since you first mentioned it when it

1705
01:15:27,510 --> 01:15:24,159
began

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01:15:29,350 --> 01:15:27,520
many moons ago on a blank blank mailing

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01:15:31,590 --> 01:15:29,360
list i'm not going to

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01:15:32,790 --> 01:15:31,600
to be selling you the mailing list where

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01:15:35,669 --> 01:15:32,800
he had been lurking

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01:15:37,189 --> 01:15:35,679
in his shell crab-like through high

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01:15:39,110 --> 01:15:37,199
tides and low tides

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01:15:42,470 --> 01:15:39,120
that's what that's the way he described

1713
01:15:45,669 --> 01:15:42,480
it he says i do hope your co-host

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01:15:48,550 --> 01:15:45,679
kate has returned with this episode

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01:15:51,430 --> 01:15:48,560
or at least that she will return soon i

1716
01:15:53,189 --> 01:15:51,440
have only praise for your solo episodes

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01:15:55,030 --> 01:15:53,199
but there's something to be said for

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01:15:58,149 --> 01:15:55,040
equilibrium

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01:16:00,550 --> 01:15:58,159
and i agree he goes on to say

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01:16:01,189 --> 01:16:00,560
i used to enjoy listening to your friend

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01:16:03,510 --> 01:16:01,199
david b

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01:16:05,430 --> 01:16:03,520
edney banter with gene steinberg when he

1723
01:16:07,510 --> 01:16:05,440
co-hosted the paracast

1724
01:16:08,790 --> 01:16:07,520
i would never have known where to find

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01:16:11,270 --> 01:16:08,800
his voice again

1726
01:16:12,550 --> 01:16:11,280
if angry human hadn't been mentioned on

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01:16:14,709 --> 01:16:12,560
shattered reality

1728
01:16:15,590 --> 01:16:14,719
but his podcast has not had a new

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01:16:18,070 --> 01:16:15,600
episode for

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01:16:19,350 --> 01:16:18,080
years now if you are aware of anything

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01:16:22,390 --> 01:16:19,360
new from david

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01:16:24,630 --> 01:16:22,400
please let me know thanks for all you do

1733
01:16:26,870 --> 01:16:24,640
and for the warm intelligence of your

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01:16:29,110 --> 01:16:26,880
voice both oral and written

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01:16:31,030 --> 01:16:29,120
you have done great work and you have

1736
01:16:33,750 --> 01:16:31,040
admirable poise

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01:16:35,430 --> 01:16:33,760
i mean just knock me over with a feather

1738
01:16:39,030 --> 01:16:35,440
thank you so much

1739
01:16:42,310 --> 01:16:39,040
rich for for that that praise now

1740
01:16:44,070 --> 01:16:42,320
from gary i got another letter dear

1741
01:16:45,910 --> 01:16:44,080
ferruccia

1742
01:16:48,070 --> 01:16:45,920
i'm not sure if this is the email i

1743
01:16:50,470 --> 01:16:48,080
should be using for providing feedback

1744
01:16:52,550 --> 01:16:50,480
about shattered reality so if i am

1745
01:16:54,950 --> 01:16:52,560
mistaken please forgive me

1746
01:16:56,310 --> 01:16:54,960
basically i simply wanted to say in the

1747
01:16:58,630 --> 01:16:56,320
absence of kate

1748
01:17:00,950 --> 01:16:58,640
and in her presence for that matter you

1749
01:17:03,110 --> 01:17:00,960
have hosted and continued to host

1750
01:17:04,470 --> 01:17:03,120
the shattered reality podcast in an

1751
01:17:06,790 --> 01:17:04,480
extremely professional

1752
01:17:07,590 --> 01:17:06,800
knowledgeable and articulate matter

1753
01:17:09,750 --> 01:17:07,600
manner

1754
01:17:11,669 --> 01:17:09,760
most importantly i wanted to convey my

1755
01:17:13,910 --> 01:17:11,679
sincere appreciation to you

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01:17:14,790 --> 01:17:13,920
for your careful tolerance of religious

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01:17:16,870 --> 01:17:14,800
faith

1758
01:17:18,790 --> 01:17:16,880
as a christian man who finds psychical

1759
01:17:19,430 --> 01:17:18,800
research and paranormal topics in

1760
01:17:21,990 --> 01:17:19,440
general

1761
01:17:23,189 --> 01:17:22,000
to be of immense interest for various

1762
01:17:27,510 --> 01:17:23,199
reason

1763
01:17:29,990 --> 01:17:27,520
intelligent discussion of such

1764
01:17:30,950 --> 01:17:30,000
topics without the inte attended

1765
01:17:33,510 --> 01:17:30,960
criticism

1766
01:17:35,590 --> 01:17:33,520
of religious faith personally i have

1767
01:17:37,750 --> 01:17:35,600
never understood why those in the para

1768
01:17:41,030 --> 01:17:37,760
podcast paramedia crowd

1769
01:17:43,110 --> 01:17:41,040
value the supernatural so highly yet at

1770
01:17:45,830 --> 01:17:43,120
the same time they often mock some of

1771
01:17:49,270 --> 01:17:45,840
the most supernaturally wonderful facets

1772
01:17:52,229 --> 01:17:49,280
of our existence here i refer to

1773
01:17:53,669 --> 01:17:52,239
the divine and faith i consider

1774
01:17:56,149 --> 01:17:53,679
refreshing

1775
01:17:57,430 --> 01:17:56,159
to listen to a podcast which overtly

1776
01:17:59,910 --> 01:17:57,440
deals with psychical

1777
01:18:01,990 --> 01:17:59,920
and paranormal subjects but at the same

1778
01:18:03,990 --> 01:18:02,000
time rarely if ever offends

1779
01:18:06,149 --> 01:18:04,000
in terms of religious faith your

1780
01:18:08,870 --> 01:18:06,159
sensitivity towards religious faith

1781
01:18:10,229 --> 01:18:08,880
even if you do not embrace it yourself

1782
01:18:12,390 --> 01:18:10,239
which i do not know

1783
01:18:13,830 --> 01:18:12,400
makes shattered reality a gem among the

1784
01:18:16,229 --> 01:18:13,840
para podcasts

1785
01:18:17,990 --> 01:18:16,239
keep up the good work and thank you for

1786
01:18:20,709 --> 01:18:18,000
not criticizing my faith

1787
01:18:21,350 --> 01:18:20,719
that sensitivity means more than you

1788
01:18:23,830 --> 01:18:21,360
know

1789
01:18:27,510 --> 01:18:23,840
as we all presumably have at least some

1790
01:18:29,990 --> 01:18:27,520
similar goals in exploring the unknown

1791
01:18:31,110 --> 01:18:30,000
and lest i forget i should mention your

1792
01:18:33,430 --> 01:18:31,120
great voice

1793
01:18:34,870 --> 01:18:33,440
which always exudes a feeling of comfort

1794
01:18:37,270 --> 01:18:34,880
and confidence

1795
01:18:37,990 --> 01:18:37,280
a medium through which the exploration

1796
01:18:41,189 --> 01:18:38,000
of

1797
01:18:44,149 --> 01:18:41,199
and coming to terms with the strange

1798
01:18:44,870 --> 01:18:44,159
and wondrous aspects of our existence

1799
01:18:47,830 --> 01:18:44,880
becomes

1800
01:18:48,630 --> 01:18:47,840
a tranquil pursuit in other words love

1801
01:18:52,950 --> 01:18:48,640
that voice

1802
01:18:55,110 --> 01:18:52,960
best regards gary okay and finally

1803
01:18:57,030 --> 01:18:55,120
this is on some level most amazing of

1804
01:18:59,669 --> 01:18:57,040
all hi ferusha

1805
01:19:02,550 --> 01:18:59,679
just a quick note to reconnect and tell

1806
01:19:05,669 --> 01:19:02,560
you how much i enjoyed your awesome chat

1807
01:19:09,510 --> 01:19:05,679
with laird scranton best alex

1808
01:19:13,110 --> 01:19:09,520
tsakaris who is the host

1809
01:19:16,149 --> 01:19:13,120
of his own podcast called skeptico

1810
01:19:17,510 --> 01:19:16,159
alex was a guest on our podcast and i

1811
01:19:20,310 --> 01:19:17,520
just want to thank

1812
01:19:22,229 --> 01:19:20,320
these three gentlemen for their kind

1813
01:19:25,510 --> 01:19:22,239
kind words to me

1814
01:19:27,990 --> 01:19:25,520
and to our podcast and our good friends

1815
01:19:28,870 --> 01:19:28,000
kate and our trusty and wonderful

1816
01:19:31,030 --> 01:19:28,880
engineer bill

1817
01:19:32,470 --> 01:19:31,040
and i want to thank those two

1818
01:19:36,390 --> 01:19:32,480
individuals greatly

1819
01:19:37,030 --> 01:19:36,400
at this time as well if you would like

1820
01:19:40,630 --> 01:19:37,040
to

1821
01:19:41,750 --> 01:19:40,640
have your thoughts spoken on shattered

1822
01:19:45,510 --> 01:19:41,760
reality

1823
01:19:48,390 --> 01:19:45,520
uh please feel free to contact us

1824
01:19:49,350 --> 01:19:48,400
through any one of a variety of places

1825
01:19:52,709 --> 01:19:49,360
where we can be

1826
01:19:57,030 --> 01:19:52,719
found that is on

1827
01:20:00,790 --> 01:19:57,040
facebook on itunes

1828
01:20:04,550 --> 01:20:00,800
on youtube on either of

1829
01:20:09,870 --> 01:20:04,560
our um

1830
01:20:14,550 --> 01:20:11,350
shatteredrealitypodcast.wordpress.com

1831
01:20:16,950 --> 01:20:14,560
and shatteredrealitypodcast.com

1832
01:20:17,990 --> 01:20:16,960
we tend to have a listener's corner at

1833
01:20:20,950 --> 01:20:18,000
the end of some

1834
01:20:22,149 --> 01:20:20,960
of our episodes so if you are someone

1835
01:20:25,669 --> 01:20:22,159
who has had

1836
01:20:28,470 --> 01:20:25,679
a paranormal or anomalous experience

1837
01:20:31,430 --> 01:20:28,480
please let us know and and just to our

1838
01:20:33,350 --> 01:20:31,440
friend gary just so he knows

1839
01:20:34,550 --> 01:20:33,360
during the course of my life i have

1840
01:20:37,830 --> 01:20:34,560
never been an

1841
01:20:39,669 --> 01:20:37,840
atheist i have always been somebody who

1842
01:20:42,790 --> 01:20:39,679
tries to be

1843
01:20:45,669 --> 01:20:42,800
respectful of different faiths and i

1844
01:20:46,070 --> 01:20:45,679
myself have never been an atheist though

1845
01:20:48,310 --> 01:20:46,080
i've gone

1846
01:20:49,590 --> 01:20:48,320
through a variety of different changes

1847
01:20:52,790 --> 01:20:49,600
spiritually

1848
01:20:56,310 --> 01:20:52,800
and um i respect all people

1849
01:20:59,990 --> 01:20:56,320
who respect other people's

1850
01:21:03,910 --> 01:21:00,000
spiritual practices and so at this point

1851
01:21:14,830 --> 01:21:03,920
i want to say goodbye